All Blacks XV 2022

Crucial

@chimoaus said in All Blacks XV:

@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

Just a side piece here as I was cleaning out some books and stuff the other day and came across this programme from the 2005 JABs v Oz A game.
Interesting set of players and coaches. Can't remember the circumstances for all the players but it looks like the selectors had it mostly right.

No wonder Foster loved Bridge for so long, Ralph was the blueprint.

It’s a bit unfair having two guys playing centre too…..

Not when one is Ben Atiga.

Crucial

@MN5 said in All Blacks XV:

Misprint at 14 ? Smokin Joe was well and truly the AB incumbent then wasn’t he or did Howlett, Sivi and my least favourite Gear brother have the inside running for awhile ?

Waikato No 8 Steven Bates will captain an extended Junior All Blacks squad of 29 named today for a three-match tour of Australia later this month.

The squad includes Bates' Waikato teammate Marty Holah, one of the unluckiest to miss All Blacks selection after his storming game for New Zealand Maori against the Lions last night.

Holah was one of 18 recent All Blacks included -- notably wing Joe Rokocoko who lost out to Sitiveni Sivivatu in the All Blacks squad.

Squad:
John Afoa – Auckland
Sosene Anesi – Waikato
Ben Atiga – Auckland
Steve Bates – Waikato (captain)
Josh Blackie – Otago
Ben Castle – Bay of Plenty
Jimmy Cowan – Southland
Clarke Dermody – Southland
Steve Devine – Auckland
Stephen Donald – Waikato
Nick Evans – Otago
Corey Flynn – Canterbury
Scott Hamilton – Canterbury
David Hill – Waikato
Carl Hoeft – Otago
Marty Holah – Waikato
Andrew Hore – Taranaki
Jerome Kaino – Auckland
Ross Kennedy – Wellington
Casey Laulala – Canterbury
Chris Masoe – Taranaki
Luke McAlister - North Harbour
Craig Newby - North Harbour
Kevin O'Neill – Canterbury
Caleb Ralph – Canterbury
Joe Rokocoko – Auckland
Saimone Taumoepeau – Auckland
Bernie Upton - Bay of Plenty
Piri Weepu – Wellington

MN5

@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

@MN5 said in All Blacks XV:

Misprint at 14 ? Smokin Joe was well and truly the AB incumbent then wasn’t he or did Howlett, Sivi and my least favourite Gear brother have the inside running for awhile ?

Waikato No 8 Steven Bates will captain an extended Junior All Blacks squad of 29 named today for a three-match tour of Australia later this month.

The squad includes Bates' Waikato teammate Marty Holah, one of the unluckiest to miss All Blacks selection after his storming game for New Zealand Maori against the Lions last night.

Holah was one of 18 recent All Blacks included -- notably wing Joe Rokocoko who lost out to Sitiveni Sivivatu in the All Blacks squad.

Squad:
John Afoa – Auckland
Sosene Anesi – Waikato
Ben Atiga – Auckland
Steve Bates – Waikato (captain)
Josh Blackie – Otago
Ben Castle – Bay of Plenty
Jimmy Cowan – Southland
Clarke Dermody – Southland
Steve Devine – Auckland
Stephen Donald – Waikato
Nick Evans – Otago
Corey Flynn – Canterbury
Scott Hamilton – Canterbury
David Hill – Waikato
Carl Hoeft – Otago
Marty Holah – Waikato
Andrew Hore – Taranaki
Jerome Kaino – Auckland
Ross Kennedy – Wellington
Casey Laulala – Canterbury
Chris Masoe – Taranaki
Luke McAlister - North Harbour
Craig Newby - North Harbour
Kevin O'Neill – Canterbury
Caleb Ralph – Canterbury
Joe Rokocoko – Auckland
Saimone Taumoepeau – Auckland
Bernie Upton - Bay of Plenty
Piri Weepu – Wellington

Right. Had completely forgotten about that. Henry didn’t think the NZ public could have possibly tolerated two Fijians on the wing.

Crucial

@MN5 There was quite a long period where we saw wings as disposable and if they weren't scoring hat tricks the next guy would come along and do so instead.

Dan54

@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:

Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.

Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.

Yep and he indicated that it will be different ones for different games. So could be 4 that drop. I see maybe Sotutu as one and maybe LF on the wing?

ACT Crusader

@MN5 for the Lions squad he went with Sivi, Howlett and Gear.

Rok played for Auckland in that close loss against BIL.

Rok was back in the ABs for the 2005 3Ns though where he played all 4 matches (started 3 on the left wing).

He went on the EOYT also.

Tim

Howlett
Rokocoko
Sivivatu
Gear
Muliaina

That was incredible depth.

Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

MN5

@Tim said in All Blacks XV:

Howlett
Rokocoko
Sivivatu
Gear
Muliaina

That was incredible depth.

Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

@Tim said in All Blacks XV:

Howlett
Rokocoko
Sivivatu
Gear
Muliaina

That was incredible depth.

Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

That’s after he’d jettisoned Caleb too.

ACT Crusader

@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

By my count only Upton, Kennedy and Blackie that weren’t ABs or went on to be ABs.

MN5

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:

@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

By my count only Upton, Kennedy and Blackie that weren’t ABs or went on to be ABs.

Which is rough cos they all lost out to inferior players at various times ( which I guess you could say about lots of NZ players )

ACT Crusader

@Tim said in All Blacks XV:

Howlett
Rokocoko
Sivivatu
Gear
Muliaina

That was incredible depth.

Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

Add to them, there were a host of others that started on the wing during the Henry era

Kahui
Jane
SBW
Dagg
Guildford
Toeava
Hosea
Hamilton
Wulf
Tuitavake
Masaga

ACT Crusader

Found this 2009 Junior ABs team

15 Israel Dagg
14 Rene Ranger
13 Anthony Tuitavake
12 Tamati Ellison (c)
11 Hosea Gear
10 Colin Slade
9 Chris Smylie
8 Victor Vito
7 George Whitelock
6 Jason Eaton
5 Tom Donnelly
4 Jeremy Thrush
3 Ben Franks
2 Aled de Malmanche
1 Jacob Ellison

16 John Schwalger
17 Hika Elliot
18 Craig Clarke
19 Alando Soakai
20 Sean Romans
21 Stephen Brett
22 Ryan Crotty

Crucial

@ACT-Crusader not quite as prophetic, that one.

ACT Crusader

@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

@ACT-Crusader not quite as prophetic, that one.

Other players that I could find that were in that squad:

Robbie Fruean, Sione Lauaki, James McGougan, Ged Robinson, Karl Lowe

Luke MacAllister was originally named in this squad but was moved to the ABs when Kahui was ruled out injured (surprise surprise…)

Chris B.

@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:

Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.

Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.

Different ones for different games - all of those three, but I can also see any or all of Newell, Papalií, Sotutu, Fakatava,, Perofeta, Ennor, ALB and Reece getting a run for the 2nd XV.

Duluth

I presume this squad will have plenty of recent AB's in it: Hodgman, Aumua, Ta'avao, Tuipulotu, Jacobson, McKenzie etc etc

Any recent AB's that in danger of missing both squads? One of the older halfbacks? Josh Ioane?

Bovidae

@Duluth It will be interesting to see if Sowakula is named.

Chris B.

I'd be surprised to see Josh Ioane or George Bridge.

Sowakula and TJP will be interesting.

Is Peter U-J available? Even if he is he's doubtful.

Tim

@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:

Ta'avao

Hope he's available, he looked pretty rough on Friday.

Tim

First and Second Five will be interesting. DMac is the only certainty among that lot. Any potential bolters in the midfield?

The Silver Fern

All Blacks XV 2022