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All Blacks XV 2022

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  • MN5M MN5

    @Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

    @MN5 said in All Blacks XV:

    Misprint at 14 ? Smokin Joe was well and truly the AB incumbent then wasn’t he or did Howlett, Sivi and my least favourite Gear brother have the inside running for awhile ?

    Waikato No 8 Steven Bates will captain an extended Junior All Blacks squad of 29 named today for a three-match tour of Australia later this month.

    The squad includes Bates' Waikato teammate Marty Holah, one of the unluckiest to miss All Blacks selection after his storming game for New Zealand Maori against the Lions last night.

    Holah was one of 18 recent All Blacks included -- notably wing Joe Rokocoko who lost out to Sitiveni Sivivatu in the All Blacks squad.

    Squad:
    John Afoa – Auckland
    Sosene Anesi – Waikato
    Ben Atiga – Auckland
    Steve Bates – Waikato (captain)
    Josh Blackie – Otago
    Ben Castle – Bay of Plenty
    Jimmy Cowan – Southland
    Clarke Dermody – Southland
    Steve Devine – Auckland
    Stephen Donald – Waikato
    Nick Evans – Otago
    Corey Flynn – Canterbury
    Scott Hamilton – Canterbury
    David Hill – Waikato
    Carl Hoeft – Otago
    Marty Holah – Waikato
    Andrew Hore – Taranaki
    Jerome Kaino – Auckland
    Ross Kennedy – Wellington
    Casey Laulala – Canterbury
    Chris Masoe – Taranaki
    Luke McAlister - North Harbour
    Craig Newby - North Harbour
    Kevin O'Neill – Canterbury
    Caleb Ralph – Canterbury
    Joe Rokocoko – Auckland
    Saimone Taumoepeau – Auckland
    Bernie Upton - Bay of Plenty
    Piri Weepu – Wellington

    Right. Had completely forgotten about that. Henry didn’t think the NZ public could have possibly tolerated two Fijians on the wing.

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    @MN5 There was quite a long period where we saw wings as disposable and if they weren't scoring hat tricks the next guy would come along and do so instead.

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    • CrucialC Crucial

      @Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:

      Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
      Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.

      Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.

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      #383

      @Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

      @Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:

      Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
      Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.

      Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.

      Yep and he indicated that it will be different ones for different games. So could be 4 that drop. I see maybe Sotutu as one and maybe LF on the wing?

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      • MN5M MN5

        @Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

        @MN5 said in All Blacks XV:

        Misprint at 14 ? Smokin Joe was well and truly the AB incumbent then wasn’t he or did Howlett, Sivi and my least favourite Gear brother have the inside running for awhile ?

        Waikato No 8 Steven Bates will captain an extended Junior All Blacks squad of 29 named today for a three-match tour of Australia later this month.

        The squad includes Bates' Waikato teammate Marty Holah, one of the unluckiest to miss All Blacks selection after his storming game for New Zealand Maori against the Lions last night.

        Holah was one of 18 recent All Blacks included -- notably wing Joe Rokocoko who lost out to Sitiveni Sivivatu in the All Blacks squad.

        Squad:
        John Afoa – Auckland
        Sosene Anesi – Waikato
        Ben Atiga – Auckland
        Steve Bates – Waikato (captain)
        Josh Blackie – Otago
        Ben Castle – Bay of Plenty
        Jimmy Cowan – Southland
        Clarke Dermody – Southland
        Steve Devine – Auckland
        Stephen Donald – Waikato
        Nick Evans – Otago
        Corey Flynn – Canterbury
        Scott Hamilton – Canterbury
        David Hill – Waikato
        Carl Hoeft – Otago
        Marty Holah – Waikato
        Andrew Hore – Taranaki
        Jerome Kaino – Auckland
        Ross Kennedy – Wellington
        Casey Laulala – Canterbury
        Chris Masoe – Taranaki
        Luke McAlister - North Harbour
        Craig Newby - North Harbour
        Kevin O'Neill – Canterbury
        Caleb Ralph – Canterbury
        Joe Rokocoko – Auckland
        Saimone Taumoepeau – Auckland
        Bernie Upton - Bay of Plenty
        Piri Weepu – Wellington

        Right. Had completely forgotten about that. Henry didn’t think the NZ public could have possibly tolerated two Fijians on the wing.

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        @MN5 for the Lions squad he went with Sivi, Howlett and Gear.

        Rok played for Auckland in that close loss against BIL.

        Rok was back in the ABs for the 2005 3Ns though where he played all 4 matches (started 3 on the left wing).

        He went on the EOYT also.

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          #385

          Howlett
          Rokocoko
          Sivivatu
          Gear
          Muliaina

          That was incredible depth.

          Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

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          • TimT Tim

            Howlett
            Rokocoko
            Sivivatu
            Gear
            Muliaina

            That was incredible depth.

            Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

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            #386

            @Tim said in All Blacks XV:

            Howlett
            Rokocoko
            Sivivatu
            Gear
            Muliaina

            That was incredible depth.

            Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

            @Tim said in All Blacks XV:

            Howlett
            Rokocoko
            Sivivatu
            Gear
            Muliaina

            That was incredible depth.

            Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

            That’s after he’d jettisoned Caleb too.

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            • CrucialC Crucial

              Just a side piece here as I was cleaning out some books and stuff the other day and came across this programme from the 2005 JABs v Oz A game.
              Interesting set of players and coaches. Can't remember the circumstances for all the players but it looks like the selectors had it mostly right.

              235C953F-2CB8-4FEE-84B3-E654EEFBDA21.jpeg

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              @Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

              235C953F-2CB8-4FEE-84B3-E654EEFBDA21.jpeg

              By my count only Upton, Kennedy and Blackie that weren’t ABs or went on to be ABs.

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              • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                @Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

                235C953F-2CB8-4FEE-84B3-E654EEFBDA21.jpeg

                By my count only Upton, Kennedy and Blackie that weren’t ABs or went on to be ABs.

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                @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:

                @Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

                235C953F-2CB8-4FEE-84B3-E654EEFBDA21.jpeg

                By my count only Upton, Kennedy and Blackie that weren’t ABs or went on to be ABs.

                Which is rough cos they all lost out to inferior players at various times ( which I guess you could say about lots of NZ players )

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                • TimT Tim

                  Howlett
                  Rokocoko
                  Sivivatu
                  Gear
                  Muliaina

                  That was incredible depth.

                  Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

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                  #389

                  @Tim said in All Blacks XV:

                  Howlett
                  Rokocoko
                  Sivivatu
                  Gear
                  Muliaina

                  That was incredible depth.

                  Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.

                  Add to them, there were a host of others that started on the wing during the Henry era

                  Kahui
                  Jane
                  SBW
                  Dagg
                  Guildford
                  Toeava
                  Hosea
                  Hamilton
                  Wulf
                  Tuitavake
                  Masaga

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                  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
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                    #390

                    Found this 2009 Junior ABs team

                    15 Israel Dagg
                    14 Rene Ranger
                    13 Anthony Tuitavake
                    12 Tamati Ellison (c)
                    11 Hosea Gear
                    10 Colin Slade
                    9 Chris Smylie
                    8 Victor Vito
                    7 George Whitelock
                    6 Jason Eaton
                    5 Tom Donnelly
                    4 Jeremy Thrush
                    3 Ben Franks
                    2 Aled de Malmanche
                    1 Jacob Ellison

                    16 John Schwalger
                    17 Hika Elliot
                    18 Craig Clarke
                    19 Alando Soakai
                    20 Sean Romans
                    21 Stephen Brett
                    22 Ryan Crotty

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                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                      Found this 2009 Junior ABs team

                      15 Israel Dagg
                      14 Rene Ranger
                      13 Anthony Tuitavake
                      12 Tamati Ellison (c)
                      11 Hosea Gear
                      10 Colin Slade
                      9 Chris Smylie
                      8 Victor Vito
                      7 George Whitelock
                      6 Jason Eaton
                      5 Tom Donnelly
                      4 Jeremy Thrush
                      3 Ben Franks
                      2 Aled de Malmanche
                      1 Jacob Ellison

                      16 John Schwalger
                      17 Hika Elliot
                      18 Craig Clarke
                      19 Alando Soakai
                      20 Sean Romans
                      21 Stephen Brett
                      22 Ryan Crotty

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                      #391

                      @ACT-Crusader not quite as prophetic, that one.

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                      • CrucialC Crucial

                        @ACT-Crusader not quite as prophetic, that one.

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                        #392

                        @Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

                        @ACT-Crusader not quite as prophetic, that one.

                        Other players that I could find that were in that squad:

                        Robbie Fruean, Sione Lauaki, James McGougan, Ged Robinson, Karl Lowe

                        Luke MacAllister was originally named in this squad but was moved to the ABs when Kahui was ruled out injured (surprise surprise…)

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          @Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:

                          Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
                          Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.

                          Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.

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                          Chris B.
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                          @Crucial said in All Blacks XV:

                          @Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:

                          Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
                          Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.

                          Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.

                          Different ones for different games - all of those three, but I can also see any or all of Newell, Papalií, Sotutu, Fakatava,, Perofeta, Ennor, ALB and Reece getting a run for the 2nd XV.

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                            I presume this squad will have plenty of recent AB's in it: Hodgman, Aumua, Ta'avao, Tuipulotu, Jacobson, McKenzie etc etc

                            Any recent AB's that in danger of missing both squads? One of the older halfbacks? Josh Ioane?

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                            • DuluthD Duluth

                              I presume this squad will have plenty of recent AB's in it: Hodgman, Aumua, Ta'avao, Tuipulotu, Jacobson, McKenzie etc etc

                              Any recent AB's that in danger of missing both squads? One of the older halfbacks? Josh Ioane?

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                              Bovidae
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                              @Duluth It will be interesting to see if Sowakula is named.

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                                I'd be surprised to see Josh Ioane or George Bridge.

                                Sowakula and TJP will be interesting.

                                Is Peter U-J available? Even if he is he's doubtful.

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                                • DuluthD Duluth

                                  I presume this squad will have plenty of recent AB's in it: Hodgman, Aumua, Ta'avao, Tuipulotu, Jacobson, McKenzie etc etc

                                  Any recent AB's that in danger of missing both squads? One of the older halfbacks? Josh Ioane?

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                                  @Duluth said in All Blacks XV:

                                  Ta'avao

                                  Hope he's available, he looked pretty rough on Friday.

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                                    First and Second Five will be interesting. DMac is the only certainty among that lot. Any potential bolters in the midfield?

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                                    • TimT Tim

                                      @Duluth said in All Blacks XV:

                                      Ta'avao

                                      Hope he's available, he looked pretty rough on Friday.

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                                      @Tim said in All Blacks XV:

                                      @Duluth said in All Blacks XV:

                                      Ta'avao

                                      Hope he's available, he looked pretty rough on Friday.

                                      TH prop options are thin if Ta'avao isn't available. I wonder if Tevita Mafileo is looked at. He can also play at LH.

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                                        When is this team named?

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                                        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                          Found this 2009 Junior ABs team

                                          15 Israel Dagg
                                          14 Rene Ranger
                                          13 Anthony Tuitavake
                                          12 Tamati Ellison (c)
                                          11 Hosea Gear
                                          10 Colin Slade
                                          9 Chris Smylie
                                          8 Victor Vito
                                          7 George Whitelock
                                          6 Jason Eaton
                                          5 Tom Donnelly
                                          4 Jeremy Thrush
                                          3 Ben Franks
                                          2 Aled de Malmanche
                                          1 Jacob Ellison

                                          16 John Schwalger
                                          17 Hika Elliot
                                          18 Craig Clarke
                                          19 Alando Soakai
                                          20 Sean Romans
                                          21 Stephen Brett
                                          22 Ryan Crotty

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                                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:

                                          20 Sean Romans

                                          Who?

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