All Blacks 2022
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Julian Savea's try scoring rate is incredible, was on track to be the GOAT until his form disappeared.
Cully at FB is the most impressive though, so far ahead of any other FB it's not even funny.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
George Bridge. Played well against the Wallabies in Eden Park 2019 pre-RWC after the ABs got smashed in Perth in the earlier fixture.
He certainly had his moments at the RWC 2019 but I wouldn't say he ever 'kicked on'.
Great Crusaders wingers don't make great try scoring ABs. They can slot anyone in there and they will get scores. But most are found begging at test level. Are there even any Crusaders wingers in the AB try scoring top 5?
Not even in the top 10 as of Oct 2021
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
George Bridge. Played well against the Wallabies in Eden Park 2019 pre-RWC after the ABs got smashed in Perth in the earlier fixture.
He certainly had his moments at the RWC 2019 but I wouldn't say he ever 'kicked on'.
Great Crusaders wingers don't make great try scoring ABs. They can slot anyone in there and they will get scores. But most are found begging at test level. Are there even any Crusaders wingers in the AB try scoring top 5?
Not even in the top 10 as of Oct 2021
Not many Crusader wingers getting 50, 60 and 70 test matches to make that list. I know, it’s a travesty and one of the great rugby injustices.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
George Bridge. Played well against the Wallabies in Eden Park 2019 pre-RWC after the ABs got smashed in Perth in the earlier fixture.
He certainly had his moments at the RWC 2019 but I wouldn't say he ever 'kicked on'.
@KiwiMurph Bridge is a good example. He waltzed past LSL in that game to setup Smith, I don't think he's making a line break like that against the top 4(?) teams.
But still I don't think either him or Fekitoa put in anything close to the MOTM performance that Jordie did.
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively. Which should finally provide more opportunities to Mounga inside and Rieko outside.
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
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@KiwiMurph Bridge is a good example. He waltzed past LSL in that game to setup Smith, I don't think he's making a line break like that against the top 4(?) teams.
But still I don't think either him or Fekitoa put in anything close to the MOTM performance that Jordie did.
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively. Which should finally provide more opportunities to Mounga inside and Rieko outside.
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
Only if you look at one aspect of play. His distribution is better than Jordie's.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
Only if you look at one aspect of play. His distribution is better than Jordie's.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
Only if you look at one aspect of play. His distribution is better than Jordie's.
So more like ‘keep an eye on who Havili passes to’
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
Only if you look at one aspect of play. His distribution is better than Jordie's.
So more like ‘keep an eye on who Havili passes to’
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
Only if you look at one aspect of play. His distribution is better than Jordie's.
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@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
Akira Ioane is overrated
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
Akira Ioane is overrated
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
Akira Ioane is overrated
Someone who doesn't watch much rugby would think that.
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@KiwiMurph Bridge is a good example. He waltzed past LSL in that game to setup Smith, I don't think he's making a line break like that against the top 4(?) teams.
But still I don't think either him or Fekitoa put in anything close to the MOTM performance that Jordie did.
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively. Which should finally provide more opportunities to Mounga inside and Rieko outside.
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
Akira Ioane is overrated
Someone who doesn't watch much rugby would think that.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
Akira Ioane is overrated
Someone who doesn't watch much rugby would think that.
Akira who?
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
Then you also have other opportunities around using Jordie as decoy etc.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
Then you also have other opportunities around using Jordie as decoy etc.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
Then you also have other opportunities around using Jordie as decoy etc.
As you would with any other player. I hope he gets another run at 12 and he's a success but I recall the same things being said about SBW when he came on the scene. He was outstanding against England but was torn a new one by Wales in his next Test and was subbed at halftime. Not quite Henry Paul - bad, mind, but not good either.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
Then you also have other opportunities around using Jordie as decoy etc.
As you would with any other player. I hope he gets another run at 12 and he's a success but I recall the same things being said about SBW when he came on the scene. He was outstanding against England but was torn a new one by Wales in his next Test and was subbed at halftime. Not quite Henry Paul - bad, mind, but not good either.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
Then you also have other opportunities around using Jordie as decoy etc.
As you would with any other player. I hope he gets another run at 12 and he's a success but I recall the same things being said about SBW when he came on the scene. He was outstanding against England but was torn a new one by Wales in his next Test and was subbed at halftime. Not quite Henry Paul - bad, mind, but not good either.
Not exactly - the idea is if the opposition defence is keyed in on a player (moreso than any other player) that then opens up more opportunities for others.
As for SBW I don't see the comparison - I recall being slightly disappointed with his test debut vs England given how much hype SBW came in with as he had been carving up the NPC for Canterbury - there was the odd glimpse in that game but was nowhere near the performance of Jordie - with SBW it was more of a realisation of 'test rugby is a different ball game to NPC for Canterbury so it's going to take some time'.
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that try scoring list shows how brutal the ABs have been with wingers. Some all-time greats who in many other nations would have continued to get picked until they retired were cut with probably a bit left in the tank
