Foster, Robertson etc
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I never thought I'd see a 12 to rate up with Horan, and if you'd have told me in 2003-2007 that it would be Ma'a I would have called you as thick as Dagg. Not sure if I can split them as there's pros and cons either way (recency bias, whatever the opposite of recency bias is, am I biased towards Ma'a because he's a Kiwi or do I play it down a bit to not look bias, ... etc). I'm just going to sit on the fence. Anyway, we all know former Magpie Bert Cooke was the greatest 12 to play the game (although in the 20s he would have been wearing a different number).
My old man reckoned that Brett Papworth was the best 12 he'd seen and that if he hadn't gone to league (and got injured) he would have been remembered as a great of the game.
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@Chris-B said in Foster:
I think in the scale of things, Alatini will be pretty much on the money.
Jordie has to be a minimum of 105kgs - which is what Rieko is listed at and I think is pretty much right. Bovidae posted a gold standard video of ALB weighing himself at 102.8kgs and Jordie's height has to have him more than that these days.
And there's no shortage of photos of the Barrett boys together - Scott around 120kgs, Beauden 94kgs - and Jordie about halfway between.
there is zero chance that Reeks is 105. His old man gave a bunch of his training kit from last season to a mate of mine.. he's about 185 not carrying much body fat crossfitter who's about 93kgs and he couldn't even get the jersey on!
He's skinny as fark - remember how he made an effort was it last year to drop a bit of weight to improve his sharpness.
ALB carries a lot more errr.. 'beef' than Jordie@WillieTheWaiter In my mind, this is probably Jordie at about 95kgs, when he was playing for Canterbury.
He used to have quite sharp features - look at recent photos he's clearly been on the creatine and has about three chins.
This article from 2018 has him bulked up to 103kgs in 2018 and I see Wiki now has him listed at 106kgs, which I reckon is about right but, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a couple of kgs more.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-super-sized-jordie-barrett-is-a-midfield-maestro/3AMPRFQU7EVHJJJB34HYTXSFYQ/If you assume the weights in this article below are right - Cane 109kgs, Sam Whitelock 122kgs - Whitelock still looks pretty lean to me. Somewhere there's an article that talks about Will Jordan being up to 98-99kgs (same height as Cane, but 10kgs lighter - seems about right to me). Rieko is listed a bit taller than Will and looks slightly heavier built to me. He might not quite be 105kgs, but - relatively - he's got to be getting close - unless everyone is lying!
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@WillieTheWaiter In my mind, this is probably Jordie at about 95kgs, when he was playing for Canterbury.
He used to have quite sharp features - look at recent photos he's clearly been on the creatine and has about three chins.
This article from 2018 has him bulked up to 103kgs in 2018 and I see Wiki now has him listed at 106kgs, which I reckon is about right but, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a couple of kgs more.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-super-sized-jordie-barrett-is-a-midfield-maestro/3AMPRFQU7EVHJJJB34HYTXSFYQ/If you assume the weights in this article below are right - Cane 109kgs, Sam Whitelock 122kgs - Whitelock still looks pretty lean to me. Somewhere there's an article that talks about Will Jordan being up to 98-99kgs (same height as Cane, but 10kgs lighter - seems about right to me). Rieko is listed a bit taller than Will and looks slightly heavier built to me. He might not quite be 105kgs, but - relatively - he's got to be getting close - unless everyone is lying!
@Chris-B said in Foster:
@WillieTheWaiter In my mind, this is probably Jordie at about 95kgs, when he was playing for Canterbury.
He used to have quite sharp features - look at recent photos he's clearly been on the creatine and has about three chins.
This article from 2018 has him bulked up to 103kgs in 2018 and I see Wiki now has him listed at 106kgs, which I reckon is about right but, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a couple of kgs more.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-super-sized-jordie-barrett-is-a-midfield-maestro/3AMPRFQU7EVHJJJB34HYTXSFYQ/If you assume the weights in this article below are right - Cane 109kgs, Sam Whitelock 122kgs - Whitelock still looks pretty lean to me. Somewhere there's an article that talks about Will Jordan being up to 98-99kgs (same height as Cane, but 10kgs lighter - seems about right to me). Rieko is listed a bit taller than Will and looks slightly heavier built to me. He might not quite be 105kgs, but - relatively - he's got to be getting close - unless everyone is lying!
Reiko Ioane is the skinniest 105kg guy I’ve ever seen. That’s heavier than Tana Umaga, Alama Ieremia and Hosea Gear who are all around the same height but looked considerably more solid.
Definitely the smallest big back in All Blacks history.
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@Chris-B said in Foster:
@WillieTheWaiter In my mind, this is probably Jordie at about 95kgs, when he was playing for Canterbury.
He used to have quite sharp features - look at recent photos he's clearly been on the creatine and has about three chins.
This article from 2018 has him bulked up to 103kgs in 2018 and I see Wiki now has him listed at 106kgs, which I reckon is about right but, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a couple of kgs more.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-super-sized-jordie-barrett-is-a-midfield-maestro/3AMPRFQU7EVHJJJB34HYTXSFYQ/If you assume the weights in this article below are right - Cane 109kgs, Sam Whitelock 122kgs - Whitelock still looks pretty lean to me. Somewhere there's an article that talks about Will Jordan being up to 98-99kgs (same height as Cane, but 10kgs lighter - seems about right to me). Rieko is listed a bit taller than Will and looks slightly heavier built to me. He might not quite be 105kgs, but - relatively - he's got to be getting close - unless everyone is lying!
Reiko Ioane is the skinniest 105kg guy I’ve ever seen. That’s heavier than Tana Umaga, Alama Ieremia and Hosea Gear who are all around the same height but looked considerably more solid.
Definitely the smallest big back in All Blacks history.
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@MN5 https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-minor-adjustment-made-by-rieko-ioane-that-could-pay-huge-dividends/
Here's Rieko saying he's dropped from 105kgs to 102kg in 2020, which Willie talked about above.
@Chris-B said in Foster:
@MN5 https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-minor-adjustment-made-by-rieko-ioane-that-could-pay-huge-dividends/
Here's Rieko saying he's dropped from 105kgs to 102kg in 2020, which Willie talked about above.
I’m assuming he hopped on the scales fully clothed with boots, jacket and beanie on.
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Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
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Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
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Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
That's a pretty cold take mate, even if it is Fozzie
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Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
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Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
Well it seems unless they were utter shit the game before (loss/as good as a loss), they don't seem that up to playing hard and/or clever. What is the motivation of the ABs? Revenge over last shit performance, or meh?
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@WillieTheWaiter In my mind, this is probably Jordie at about 95kgs, when he was playing for Canterbury.
He used to have quite sharp features - look at recent photos he's clearly been on the creatine and has about three chins.
This article from 2018 has him bulked up to 103kgs in 2018 and I see Wiki now has him listed at 106kgs, which I reckon is about right but, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a couple of kgs more.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-super-sized-jordie-barrett-is-a-midfield-maestro/3AMPRFQU7EVHJJJB34HYTXSFYQ/If you assume the weights in this article below are right - Cane 109kgs, Sam Whitelock 122kgs - Whitelock still looks pretty lean to me. Somewhere there's an article that talks about Will Jordan being up to 98-99kgs (same height as Cane, but 10kgs lighter - seems about right to me). Rieko is listed a bit taller than Will and looks slightly heavier built to me. He might not quite be 105kgs, but - relatively - he's got to be getting close - unless everyone is lying!
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@mariner4life said in Foster:
Tim Horan, in a very striney 'strayian accent, enters the chat.
Best 12 i have seen, a beautiful footballer.
The ultimate compliment i can pay Ma'a Nonu is that, at his peak, he matched what Horan could do on a footy field
+1. Horan is best 12 I’ve seen.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
@mariner4life said in Foster:
Tim Horan, in a very striney 'strayian accent, enters the chat.
Best 12 i have seen, a beautiful footballer.
The ultimate compliment i can pay Ma'a Nonu is that, at his peak, he matched what Horan could do on a footy field
+1. Horan is best 12 I’ve seen.
Used to laugh when, post injury I think, Oz played Tim at fullback, 10 and maybe even wing.
However, the brains trust eventually had the idea of giving him a run back at 12 and the wins started again.
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Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
By thar logic the French coach has no motivational ability given the French performance in Paris last weekend.
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the whole idea that an AB team needs motivating is more than slightly ludicrous.
OK Boys gather round, I know it's the final of Celebrity Washing Your Car this weekend but we have a game of rugby on and South Africa have been saying really mean things about us. So could you just watch it later and give them hell? and Jordie no texting everyone who's been eliminated in the chamois off this time. It wasn't funny!
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Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Anyway, back on topic...
Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.
Boy have you got a vivid imagination expat. The number of times I have heard players say we pissed at how we played in last game, I never thought they were getting at coach or captian fpr not firing them up. As Dogmeat says even the fact that AB team needs motivating is quite ludicrous, I actuall heard Goldie, Mils etc talking about it on Breakdown when they were talking coaches and Razor etc, saying they really didn't think any AB coach had to motivate his players, if the players weren't motivated by black jersey they shouldn't be there.
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The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
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The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
@Windows97 said in Foster:
The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
The problem is Foster isn't enough of a student of the game for this level. He doesn't seem attentive enough, detail-focused enough. His language is too broad and general to give me any impression that he goes deep on the game. Schmidt clearly is, Rassie for sure, Robertson is certainly on the spectrum. O'Gara labelled Razor a "mad genius" as he was so obsessive, intelligent & in-depth while preparing the team during the week.
This kind of mentality is surely what's required to succeed at this level. This might explain the inconsistency, Fozzie isn't always on and that impacts the team. He waffles and talks in generalities. I watched him on the breakdown earlier in the year and nearly dozed off.
They had Joe Schmidt on the breakdown a few weeks later and the difference was startling. Joe was always on point, answered questions directly and focused on the issue in question. And knew what he was talking about. No fog, fuzzie logic, learnings, waffle talk, etc...
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The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
@Windows97 said in Foster:
The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
So therefore hammer Wales…..then lose to Scotland ! Fucken sweet ! Get on the bandwagon laddies, plenty of room for everyone !
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@Windows97 said in Foster:
The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
The problem is Foster isn't enough of a student of the game for this level. He doesn't seem attentive enough, detail-focused enough. His language is too broad and general to give me any impression that he goes deep on the game. Schmidt clearly is, Rassie for sure, Robertson is certainly on the spectrum. O'Gara labelled Razor a "mad genius" as he was so obsessive, intelligent & in-depth while preparing the team during the week.
This kind of mentality is surely what's required to succeed at this level. This might explain the inconsistency, Fozzie isn't always on and that impacts the team. He waffles and talks in generalities. I watched him on the breakdown earlier in the year and nearly dozed off.
They had Joe Schmidt on the breakdown a few weeks later and the difference was startling. Joe was always on point, answered questions directly and focused on the issue in question. And knew what he was talking about. No fog, fuzzie logic, learnings, waffle talk, etc...
@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
In the end I don't mind a coach that doesn't spout all of his plans and secrets for all to hear.
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@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
In the end I don't mind a coach that doesn't spout all of his plans and secrets for all to hear.
