Foster, Robertson etc

Machpants

Anyway, back on topic...

Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.

Well it seems unless they were utter shit the game before (loss/as good as a loss), they don't seem that up to playing hard and/or clever. What is the motivation of the ABs? Revenge over last shit performance, or meh?

Bones

@Chris-B if only there was a way of knowing if a professional athlete might be carrying more muscle and have bigger legs than Willie's random friend.

pakman

@Billy-Tell said in Foster:

@mariner4life said in Foster:

Tim Horan, in a very striney 'strayian accent, enters the chat.

Best 12 i have seen, a beautiful footballer.

The ultimate compliment i can pay Ma'a Nonu is that, at his peak, he matched what Horan could do on a footy field

+1. Horan is best 12 I’ve seen.

Used to laugh when, post injury I think, Oz played Tim at fullback, 10 and maybe even wing.

However, the brains trust eventually had the idea of giving him a run back at 12 and the wins started again.

KiwiMurph

@kiwi_expat said in Foster:

Anyway, back on topic...

Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.

By thar logic the French coach has no motivational ability given the French performance in Paris last weekend.

dogmeat

the whole idea that an AB team needs motivating is more than slightly ludicrous.

OK Boys gather round, I know it's the final of Celebrity Washing Your Car this weekend but we have a game of rugby on and South Africa have been saying really mean things about us. So could you just watch it later and give them hell? and Jordie no texting everyone who's been eliminated in the chamois off this time. It wasn't funny!

Dan54

@kiwi_expat said in Foster:

Anyway, back on topic...

Aaron Smith had said that there was an extra edge in the camp after the poor showing in Tokyo. That's Smith's subtle way of admitting that Foster has no motivational ability and it is only the team's pride from time to time rousing them to some sort of decent performance during his tenure.

Boy have you got a vivid imagination expat. The number of times I have heard players say we pissed at how we played in last game, I never thought they were getting at coach or captian fpr not firing them up. As Dogmeat says even the fact that AB team needs motivating is quite ludicrous, I actuall heard Goldie, Mils etc talking about it on Breakdown when they were talking coaches and Razor etc, saying they really didn't think any AB coach had to motivate his players, if the players weren't motivated by black jersey they shouldn't be there.

Windows97

The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.

Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).

Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).

Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).

If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.

kiwi_expat

@Windows97 said in Foster:

The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.

Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).

Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).

Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).

If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.

The problem is Foster isn't enough of a student of the game for this level. He doesn't seem attentive enough, detail-focused enough. His language is too broad and general to give me any impression that he goes deep on the game. Schmidt clearly is, Rassie for sure, Robertson is certainly on the spectrum. O'Gara labelled Razor a "mad genius" as he was so obsessive, intelligent & in-depth while preparing the team during the week.

This kind of mentality is surely what's required to succeed at this level. This might explain the inconsistency, Fozzie isn't always on and that impacts the team. He waffles and talks in generalities. I watched him on the breakdown earlier in the year and nearly dozed off.

They had Joe Schmidt on the breakdown a few weeks later and the difference was startling. Joe was always on point, answered questions directly and focused on the issue in question. And knew what he was talking about. No fog, fuzzie logic, learnings, waffle talk, etc...

MN5

@Windows97 said in Foster:

The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.

Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).

Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).

Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).

If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.

So therefore hammer Wales…..then lose to Scotland ! Fucken sweet ! Get on the bandwagon laddies, plenty of room for everyone !

Bones

@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.

His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.

In the end I don't mind a coach that doesn't spout all of his plans and secrets for all to hear.

Old Samurai Jack

@Bones I hear you but during the "dark days" what he said and what was happening on the field was completely different. It was like Foster was on a different planet. Now that the ship has straightened he seems lucid again.

Bones

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:

@Bones I hear you but during the "dark days" what he said and what was happening on the field was completely different. It was like Foster was on a different planet. Now that the ship has straightened he seems lucid again.

Yeah frustrating for us fans, but like I said that doesn't matter and i would eat Kirwan's hat if we found out the public message is the same as what the team is getting.

kiwi_expat

@Bones said in Foster:

@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.

His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.

Nonsense - effective communication is one of the most fundamental aspects of his job, from a Gregor Paul excerpt:

"If all this isn't demanding enough, the All Blacks coach also has to be a skilled, clever and strategic communicator.

“You have to understand the role of the media otherwise they can really wind you up as they did earlier in my career,” says Hansen.

Hansen became one of the best manipulators of the media and the master at controlling the news cycle, and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach."

Victor Meldrew

@kiwi_expat said in Foster:

and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach.

A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?

Anyone who writes or believes that load of bollocks is a complete moron.

Bones

@kiwi_expat said in Foster:

@Bones said in Foster:

@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.

His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.

Wrong, much of Foster's job is communication, from a Gregor Paul excerpt:

"If all this isn’t demanding enough, the All Blacks coach also has to be a skilled, clever and strategic communicator.

“You have to understand the role of the media otherwise they can really wind you up as they did earlier in my career,” says Hansen.

Hansen became one of the best manipulators of the media and the master at controlling the news cycle, and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach."

Oh well what Gregor Paul says, goes eh!

Foster seems to be manipulating you extremely easily. Job done then.

kiwi_expat

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?

based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.

Victor Meldrew

@kiwi_expat said in Foster:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?

based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.

Yeah, but you and Gregor Paul are arguing that's less important than managing the media.

antipodean

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@Crucial said in Foster:

With midfielders one stepper and one straight is the way. Doesn't matter which way around(12,13) or even if one or other can do both. As long as one player looks for a weakness and one straightens. That checks the defensive enough that the fullback can watch and direct the next move, either shooting up as an extra or calling it wide and going to support.

Until JB stepped in I feel like we lacked the straightener

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/07/alatinis-all-blacks-midfield-for-2023-world-cup/
“I think we have to definitely have a look at the performances that Jordie has produced in the 12 jersey in the last two Tests,” Alatini told SENZ’s The Run Home.

“Jordie at 12 is a weapon, an absolute weapon,” Jones told SENZ’s The Rugby Run.
“The guy is six-foot-four, he’s 108, 109 kgs, gets over the gain line … once we get over the gain line and we analyse the game, then we can play.
“If you can’t dominate the gain line, if you can’t get go-forward ball, if you can’t push the opposition back … the game of rugby’s hard.
“We don’t want to make it hard, we want to be able to dominate the gain line and dominate the game.”
Sounds like a crash-ball merchant to me...

Kidding kidding - but seriously, he is listed at 95-96kgs depending where you look, not quite the 108-109kgs Alatini (apparently Jones, thanks Bones) has him at.

Anyone got a line on an accurate count?
was talking to him at a weetbix breakfast a couple of years back and he said he was 90kg then. Skinny as fark.
no way in hell has he put on 20kgs since then
95 would be pretty accurate I'd say

I'd be astonished if a bloke his height and build is about the same weight as me. I'd say he's definitely over the tonne.

Chris

'It’s a test win we’re very proud of': Ian Foster praises his comeback All Blacks

:face_vomiting: :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting:

nostrildamus

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

@kiwi_expat said in Foster:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?

based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.

Yeah, but you and Gregor Paul are arguing that's less important than managing the media.

Actually, I recall an article interviewing Steve Hansen where he said near the end of his tenure he found the demands of managing the media etc getting increasingly difficult to balance time-wise with performance-driven coaching.

The Silver Fern

Foster, Robertson etc