All Blacks vs Scotland
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@TeWaio not sure what is going on with Clarke, the balance issues weren’t a problem at the Blues for the past three years.
He’ll do something incredible, and then explicably fall over. His pros aren’t matched by any of the other wingers, so I can see why they are persisting with him but Jesus put on some longer sprigs or something.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@TeWaio not sure what is going on with Clarke, the balance issues weren’t a problem at the Blues for the past three years.
He’ll do something incredible, and then explicably fall over. His pros aren’t matched by any of the other wingers, so I can see why they are persisting with him but Jesus put on some longer sprigs or something.
I'm no physio or medical expert but I'm guessing after his injury the leg muscles aren't properly balanced (or one/some were over-used compensating for others).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I think Clarke is very lucky to be playing ahead of Reece in this game as he was very poor against Wales. He needs to have a performance that backs up his talent.
It's frustrating. Good under the high ball, pace, reasonable defence, can break tackles but has this knack of tripping over, running away from support (or the support not backing up) and letting a great break die.
Worth sticking with though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I think Clarke is very lucky to be playing ahead of Reece in this game as he was very poor against Wales. He needs to have a performance that backs up his talent.
It's frustrating. Good under the high ball, pace, reasonable defence, can break tackles but has this knack of tripping over, running away from support (or the support not backing up) and letting a great break die.
Worth sticking with though.
Definitely frustrating. To me his biggest flaw is his lack of balance/proprioception, which I'm not sure you can coach into someone. This was the most exceptional thing about Jonah IMO (rather than his obvious size or speed). It's something Ardie has too. The "just can't put them down" factor.
@TeWaio said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I think Clarke is very lucky to be playing ahead of Reece in this game as he was very poor against Wales. He needs to have a performance that backs up his talent.
It's frustrating. Good under the high ball, pace, reasonable defence, can break tackles but has this knack of tripping over, running away from support (or the support not backing up) and letting a great break die.
Worth sticking with though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I think Clarke is very lucky to be playing ahead of Reece in this game as he was very poor against Wales. He needs to have a performance that backs up his talent.
It's frustrating. Good under the high ball, pace, reasonable defence, can break tackles but has this knack of tripping over, running away from support (or the support not backing up) and letting a great break die.
Worth sticking with though.
Definitely frustrating. To me his biggest flaw is his lack of balance/proprioception, which I'm not sure you can coach into someone. This was the most exceptional thing about Jonah IMO (rather than his obvious size or speed). It's something Ardie has too. The "just can't put them down" factor.
Exactly. But I think one can improve it with proper guidance.
NB I noticed Julian Savea display impressive balance way earlier in his career as an AB. Don't know where it went. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
And this right here is why I fucking hate our team full of 90s Black Caps bitsa players
We want to rest our 10 so we have to change the 12 and the 15 to do it.
DH and ALB together in midfield won't be giving the Scots too many sleepless nights.
a powder puff 12 and a 13 who runs sideways and throws basketball passes.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
And this right here is why I fucking hate our team full of 90s Black Caps bitsa players
We want to rest our 10 so we have to change the 12 and the 15 to do it.
DH and ALB together in midfield won't be giving the Scots too many sleepless nights.
a powder puff 12 and a 13 who runs sideways and throws basketball passes.
DH isn't usually accused of being a Juggernaut but he plays ok against midtier sides usually.
As for 13 the cupboard is allegedly a little bare-you have
Goodhue-who seems sadly now off the pace
R Ioane-who some here say doesn't pass at all
Ennor-who only likes catching the ball on Sundays and then finally:
ALB-who you say "runs sideways and throws basketball passes" .. can that be worse than an AB 12 who throws like an NFL player?
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/jordie-barrett-throws-ridiculous-nfl-style-pass-in-mitre-10-cup/
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@Frank pfft, changes are good
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Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Darcy Graham, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price, 8 Matt Fagerson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie (c), 5 Grant Gilchrist, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ewan Ashman, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 WP Nel, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Ben White, 22 Blair Kinghorn, 23 Mark Bennett -
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Harmon to be named on the bench.
Never going to happen with a not injured or suspended for assault Frizell being in the squad. He is the favoured son, essentially if there's a 23 selected by Fozzie and Ryan, no matter what he's going to be in it.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Harmon to be named on the bench.
Never going to happen with a not injured or suspended for assault Frizell being in the squad. He is the favoured son, essentially if there's a 23 selected by Fozzie and Ryan, no matter what he's going to be in it.
And you've got Cane, Papali'i, Blackadder and Ardie (covering 7 in the matchday squad) as potential 7s for RWC ahead of Billy, so unless we go through them like 2011 first fives, it's throwing a bone and something of a waste.
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https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/the-return-of-dalton-papalii-puts-sam-canes-spot-in-jeopardy/
Super Rugby 2022 stats:
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/the-return-of-dalton-papalii-puts-sam-canes-spot-in-jeopardy/
Super Rugby 2022 stats:
Sure it was only Wales (sorry Mike) but the back row seemed to operate very well with DP in the mix. The big test will be against England to see if we really have something. I hope the coach stops fucking around with selections and plays what TSF considers to be the best team
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
And this right here is why I fucking hate our team full of 90s Black Caps bitsa players
We want to rest our 10 so we have to change the 12 and the 15 to do it.
DH and ALB together in midfield won't be giving the Scots too many sleepless nights.
a powder puff 12 and a 13 who runs sideways and throws basketball passes.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
And this right here is why I fucking hate our team full of 90s Black Caps bitsa players
We want to rest our 10 so we have to change the 12 and the 15 to do it.
DH and ALB together in midfield won't be giving the Scots too many sleepless nights.
a powder puff 12 and a 13 who runs sideways and throws basketball passes.
This might cement JBs place at 12 for the foreseeable future if these guys don't play well
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/the-return-of-dalton-papalii-puts-sam-canes-spot-in-jeopardy/
Super Rugby 2022 stats:
Sure it was only Wales (sorry Mike) but the back row seemed to operate very well with DP in the mix. The big test will be against England to see if we really have something. I hope the coach stops fucking around with selections and plays what TSF considers to be the best team
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
https://i.ibb.co/N76ZHP6/canevpap.png
That chart, only tackle completion surprise me but boy did such a gap surprise me. -
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, but when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
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DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
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DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
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DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
I think he's another bloke unsure of his role in the team. Maybe if they give him clear instructions to crash it up and then offer more decisive kicks to relieve RM?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
Jordie will almost certainly move to 12 second half and start at 12 next week.
There's been very little chopping and changing this year (perhaps due to necessity with the early season losses)
