All Blacks vs Scotland
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Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Darcy Graham, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price, 8 Matt Fagerson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie (c), 5 Grant Gilchrist, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ewan Ashman, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 WP Nel, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Ben White, 22 Blair Kinghorn, 23 Mark Bennett -
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Harmon to be named on the bench.
Never going to happen with a not injured or suspended for assault Frizell being in the squad. He is the favoured son, essentially if there's a 23 selected by Fozzie and Ryan, no matter what he's going to be in it.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Harmon to be named on the bench.
Never going to happen with a not injured or suspended for assault Frizell being in the squad. He is the favoured son, essentially if there's a 23 selected by Fozzie and Ryan, no matter what he's going to be in it.
And you've got Cane, Papali'i, Blackadder and Ardie (covering 7 in the matchday squad) as potential 7s for RWC ahead of Billy, so unless we go through them like 2011 first fives, it's throwing a bone and something of a waste.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
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Sure it was only Wales (sorry Mike) but the back row seemed to operate very well with DP in the mix. The big test will be against England to see if we really have something. I hope the coach stops fucking around with selections and plays what TSF considers to be the best team
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
And this right here is why I fucking hate our team full of 90s Black Caps bitsa players
We want to rest our 10 so we have to change the 12 and the 15 to do it.
DH and ALB together in midfield won't be giving the Scots too many sleepless nights.
a powder puff 12 and a 13 who runs sideways and throws basketball passes.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
And this right here is why I fucking hate our team full of 90s Black Caps bitsa players
We want to rest our 10 so we have to change the 12 and the 15 to do it.
DH and ALB together in midfield won't be giving the Scots too many sleepless nights.
a powder puff 12 and a 13 who runs sideways and throws basketball passes.
This might cement JBs place at 12 for the foreseeable future if these guys don't play well
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
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Sure it was only Wales (sorry Mike) but the back row seemed to operate very well with DP in the mix. The big test will be against England to see if we really have something. I hope the coach stops fucking around with selections and plays what TSF considers to be the best team
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
https://i.ibb.co/N76ZHP6/canevpap.png
That chart, only tackle completion surprise me but boy did such a gap surprise me. -
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, but when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
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DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
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DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
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DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
I think he's another bloke unsure of his role in the team. Maybe if they give him clear instructions to crash it up and then offer more decisive kicks to relieve RM?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
Jordie will almost certainly move to 12 second half and start at 12 next week.
There's been very little chopping and changing this year (perhaps due to necessity with the early season losses)
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster. -
I hate this line-up with a passion, but expected this given a 5 day turn around to England game.
I take solace in the fact Smith, Mo'unga, Lomax, Reece, R.Ioane are all starting next week.
And if Rettalick is available, S.Barrett at 6 also.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.@Crucial well they could have used the Wales- Scotland-England games to replicate the quarter, semi then final with 3 tough matches on the trot...isn't that what Henry did in 2014 NH tour when he had largely settled on his core group for 2015.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.@Crucial lol yeah totally. The only 2 options are
Play the same 23 every game
Change 6 of the backs in one hit.Just as bad as changing 6 fucking backs is
A week after the forwards did everything change 6 backs and start all of 4,5,7 and 8 again.
If we absolutely HAD to switch out most of the team, maybe look around.
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I hate this line-up with a passion, but expected this given a 5 day turn around to England game.
I take solace in the fact Smith, Mo'unga, Lomax, Reece, R.Ioane are all starting next week.
And if Rettalick is available, S.Barrett at 6 also.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I hate this line-up with a passion, but expected this given a 5 day turn around to England game.
I take solace in the fact Smith, Mo'unga, Lomax, Reece, R.Ioane are all starting next week.
And if Rettalick is available, S.Barrett at 6 also.
Our best 12 is being made to play 15 days before the biggest match of the tour
