All Blacks vs Scotland
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
Jordie will almost certainly move to 12 second half and start at 12 next week.
There's been very little chopping and changing this year (perhaps due to necessity with the early season losses)
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster. -
I hate this line-up with a passion, but expected this given a 5 day turn around to England game.
I take solace in the fact Smith, Mo'unga, Lomax, Reece, R.Ioane are all starting next week.
And if Rettalick is available, S.Barrett at 6 also.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.@Crucial well they could have used the Wales- Scotland-England games to replicate the quarter, semi then final with 3 tough matches on the trot...isn't that what Henry did in 2014 NH tour when he had largely settled on his core group for 2015.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.@Crucial lol yeah totally. The only 2 options are
Play the same 23 every game
Change 6 of the backs in one hit.Just as bad as changing 6 fucking backs is
A week after the forwards did everything change 6 backs and start all of 4,5,7 and 8 again.
If we absolutely HAD to switch out most of the team, maybe look around.
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I hate this line-up with a passion, but expected this given a 5 day turn around to England game.
I take solace in the fact Smith, Mo'unga, Lomax, Reece, R.Ioane are all starting next week.
And if Rettalick is available, S.Barrett at 6 also.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I hate this line-up with a passion, but expected this given a 5 day turn around to England game.
I take solace in the fact Smith, Mo'unga, Lomax, Reece, R.Ioane are all starting next week.
And if Rettalick is available, S.Barrett at 6 also.
Our best 12 is being made to play 15 days before the biggest match of the tour
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.@Crucial I agree Crucial, I taking it the ones going crook are suggesting the ALB etc perhaps shouldn't get a start, personally I also keen to see how he goes, perhaps to settle whether he is out 1st choice 13 for WC and Reiko will go to wing, I also really think RMo needs a bit of a break, and once again we need our back up 10 getting game time perhaps? Don't know, I can see both sides , but I think to say Henry (it was Hansen0 did something in 2014 so we keep on that course is not always best course. I certainly believe the short turn around of 6 days, and perhaps not running fleaas into ground has merit. Also the 457 and 8 are not on 3rd week in a row so perhaps they can play ? Same as BB and JB wersn'didn't play in Japan.
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If Mo'unga was to be rested, the only way JB stays at 12 is if Perofeta was trusted to start at fullback. I don't think Havili would be considered at fullback now. If Jordan was in the squad the options are greater.
As @KiwiMurph says, Jordie will move to 2nd 5 when Perofeta is brought on.
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I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
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I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
That’s offset by BB’s direct running from ten, a big pro of his game over RM.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
That’s offset by BB’s direct running from ten, a big pro of his game over RM.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
That’s offset by BB’s direct running from ten, a big pro of his game over RM.
My recollection of the Ireland series was more crab running and our 10 and 12 not complimenting each other.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
That’s offset by BB’s direct running from ten, a big pro of his game over RM.
My recollection of the Ireland series was more crab running and our 10 and 12 not complimenting each other.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
That’s offset by BB’s direct running from ten, a big pro of his game over RM.
My recollection of the Ireland series was more crab running and our 10 and 12 not complimenting each other.
Someone has to straighten the attack. And that player shouldn't be the 10. Maybe we will play a similar pattern to last week and get to see DH running straight and hard
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
That’s offset by BB’s direct running from ten, a big pro of his game over RM.
My recollection of the Ireland series was more crab running and our 10 and 12 not complimenting each other.
Foster just loves his 'bits & pieces' combinations.
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Have to say it's a weird feeling going from a world where the suggestion of JB at 12 is scoffed at to anger at him not being selected there.
If you play him, you play him at 12.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.So JB has had two tests at 12. Many are saying he hasn't played enough against decent opposition to be considered the answer. But then he would have played only 2 of the last 4 tests at 12. So do we play him to prove himself or switch shit up every 5 minutes?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.So JB has had two tests at 12. Many are saying he hasn't played enough against decent opposition to be considered the answer. But then he would have played only 2 of the last 4 tests at 12. So do we play him to prove himself or switch shit up every 5 minutes?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
I think where the problem is with chopping and changing is that because Fozzie's record is so poor, we're effectively a year behind in our development of a full squad. With 10 or so tests before the QF, is that enough time between now and then to allow the squad with all the constant changes to gel and seamlessly switch in and out every test?
Are you trying to support my point?
With what happened earlier this year we lost some chances to mix things up for the whole squad. Are you saying we should pick a 23 and try and ride it as much as possible to the World Cup? That would be dumb even for Foster.So JB has had two tests at 12. Many are saying he hasn't played enough against decent opposition to be considered the answer. But then he would have played only 2 of the last 4 tests at 12. So do we play him to prove himself or switch shit up every 5 minutes?
Just because he doesn't start at 12 doesn't mean he doesn't play 12.
Jordie shifted to 12 in Melbourne.
Played 12 at Eden Park and Cardiff
Will shift to 12 in this game (I imagine).
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Geez my first view was that this team is expertly selected given the short gap to England match.
Hoping it allows Jordie and ALB in centres next week and Rieko and Reece as starting wings.
Maybe Aumua on bench next week with his extra bulk. And would have liked DMac on bench too with a stronger tactical kicking game.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae I reckon Leicester will need an absolute stormer (and Clarke have a shocker) this week if he's to get a game for the real ABs this tour.
I think it's quite a bit more likely that we'll see Reiko on the left wing than Leicester vs England.
It's almost shaping up for that - otherwise Caleb will start 4 games straight.
Ioane back to the wing is a shit idea
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae I reckon Leicester will need an absolute stormer (and Clarke have a shocker) this week if he's to get a game for the real ABs this tour.
I think it's quite a bit more likely that we'll see Reiko on the left wing than Leicester vs England.
It's almost shaping up for that - otherwise Caleb will start 4 games straight.
Ioane back to the wing is a shit idea
Why? Have you seen how much chaos he causes for the opposition whenever he's shuffled back there? If ALB covers centre to the standard Ioane does, which is highly likely, then it's not as shit an idea as running a bumbling Clarke there.
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Did anyone else realise the All Blacks game is Monday morning our time not tomorrow morning?
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Did anyone else realise the All Blacks game is Monday morning our time not tomorrow morning?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Did anyone else realise the All Blacks game is Monday morning our time not tomorrow morning?
I'm picking it's probably just you that managed to figure that out...we can't all be scientists mate.
