Foster, Robertson etc
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@Bones I hear you but during the "dark days" what he said and what was happening on the field was completely different. It was like Foster was on a different planet. Now that the ship has straightened he seems lucid again.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
@Bones I hear you but during the "dark days" what he said and what was happening on the field was completely different. It was like Foster was on a different planet. Now that the ship has straightened he seems lucid again.
Yeah frustrating for us fans, but like I said that doesn't matter and i would eat Kirwan's hat if we found out the public message is the same as what the team is getting.
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@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
In the end I don't mind a coach that doesn't spout all of his plans and secrets for all to hear.
@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
Nonsense - effective communication is one of the most fundamental aspects of his job, from a Gregor Paul excerpt:
"If all this isn't demanding enough, the All Blacks coach also has to be a skilled, clever and strategic communicator.
“You have to understand the role of the media otherwise they can really wind you up as they did earlier in my career,” says Hansen.
Hansen became one of the best manipulators of the media and the master at controlling the news cycle, and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach."
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@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
Nonsense - effective communication is one of the most fundamental aspects of his job, from a Gregor Paul excerpt:
"If all this isn't demanding enough, the All Blacks coach also has to be a skilled, clever and strategic communicator.
“You have to understand the role of the media otherwise they can really wind you up as they did earlier in my career,” says Hansen.
Hansen became one of the best manipulators of the media and the master at controlling the news cycle, and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach."
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach.
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
Anyone who writes or believes that load of bollocks is a complete moron.
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@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
Nonsense - effective communication is one of the most fundamental aspects of his job, from a Gregor Paul excerpt:
"If all this isn't demanding enough, the All Blacks coach also has to be a skilled, clever and strategic communicator.
“You have to understand the role of the media otherwise they can really wind you up as they did earlier in my career,” says Hansen.
Hansen became one of the best manipulators of the media and the master at controlling the news cycle, and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach."
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
Wrong, much of Foster's job is communication, from a Gregor Paul excerpt:
"If all this isn’t demanding enough, the All Blacks coach also has to be a skilled, clever and strategic communicator.
“You have to understand the role of the media otherwise they can really wind you up as they did earlier in my career,” says Hansen.
Hansen became one of the best manipulators of the media and the master at controlling the news cycle, and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach."
Oh well what Gregor Paul says, goes eh!Foster seems to be manipulating you extremely easily. Job done then.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach.
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
Anyone who writes or believes that load of bollocks is a complete moron.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.
Yeah, but you and Gregor Paul are arguing that's less important than managing the media.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
With midfielders one stepper and one straight is the way. Doesn't matter which way around(12,13) or even if one or other can do both. As long as one player looks for a weakness and one straightens. That checks the defensive enough that the fullback can watch and direct the next move, either shooting up as an extra or calling it wide and going to support.
Until JB stepped in I feel like we lacked the straightener
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/07/alatinis-all-blacks-midfield-for-2023-world-cup/
“I think we have to definitely have a look at the performances that Jordie has produced in the 12 jersey in the last two Tests,” Alatini told SENZ’s The Run Home. “Jordie at 12 is a weapon, an absolute weapon,” Jones told SENZ’s The Rugby Run. “The guy is six-foot-four, he’s 108, 109 kgs, gets over the gain line … once we get over the gain line and we analyse the game, then we can play. “If you can’t dominate the gain line, if you can’t get go-forward ball, if you can’t push the opposition back … the game of rugby’s hard. “We don’t want to make it hard, we want to be able to dominate the gain line and dominate the game.”Sounds like a crash-ball merchant to me...
Kidding kidding - but seriously, he is listed at 95-96kgs depending where you look, not quite the 108-109kgs Alatini (apparently Jones, thanks Bones) has him at.
Anyone got a line on an accurate count?
was talking to him at a weetbix breakfast a couple of years back and he said he was 90kg then. Skinny as fark.
no way in hell has he put on 20kgs since then
95 would be pretty accurate I'd say@WillieTheWaiter said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
With midfielders one stepper and one straight is the way. Doesn't matter which way around(12,13) or even if one or other can do both. As long as one player looks for a weakness and one straightens. That checks the defensive enough that the fullback can watch and direct the next move, either shooting up as an extra or calling it wide and going to support.
Until JB stepped in I feel like we lacked the straightener
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/07/alatinis-all-blacks-midfield-for-2023-world-cup/
“I think we have to definitely have a look at the performances that Jordie has produced in the 12 jersey in the last two Tests,” Alatini told SENZ’s The Run Home. “Jordie at 12 is a weapon, an absolute weapon,” Jones told SENZ’s The Rugby Run. “The guy is six-foot-four, he’s 108, 109 kgs, gets over the gain line … once we get over the gain line and we analyse the game, then we can play. “If you can’t dominate the gain line, if you can’t get go-forward ball, if you can’t push the opposition back … the game of rugby’s hard. “We don’t want to make it hard, we want to be able to dominate the gain line and dominate the game.”Sounds like a crash-ball merchant to me...
Kidding kidding - but seriously, he is listed at 95-96kgs depending where you look, not quite the 108-109kgs Alatini (apparently Jones, thanks Bones) has him at.
Anyone got a line on an accurate count?
was talking to him at a weetbix breakfast a couple of years back and he said he was 90kg then. Skinny as fark.
no way in hell has he put on 20kgs since then
95 would be pretty accurate I'd sayI'd be astonished if a bloke his height and build is about the same weight as me. I'd say he's definitely over the tonne.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.
Yeah, but you and Gregor Paul are arguing that's less important than managing the media.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.
Yeah, but you and Gregor Paul are arguing that's less important than managing the media.
Actually, I recall an article interviewing Steve Hansen where he said near the end of his tenure he found the demands of managing the media etc getting increasingly difficult to balance time-wise with performance-driven coaching.
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@Windows97 said in Foster:
The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
So therefore hammer Wales…..then lose to Scotland ! Fucken sweet ! Get on the bandwagon laddies, plenty of room for everyone !
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'It’s a test win we’re very proud of': Ian Foster praises his comeback All Blacks
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Yet another weekend where Razor's reputation is enhanced while Foster's goes down, it's like clock-work.
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Yet another weekend where Razor's reputation is enhanced while Foster's goes down, it's like clock-work.
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if he wasn't obviously a foster child I'd wonder if Ian is part Scottish..then again he seems obviously delighted with this ' test win we’re very proud of' so I guess he can't be.
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Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
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Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
Yep pretty much sums up the difference, results do count when rating coaches abilities unless you are on the NZR Board.
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Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
yeah what a legend 277 caps in baa team. only three havnt played internation rugby in the starting team against 116 in nz team.against 6 Abs that two had 83 caps combinded,.
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Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
So you must of been bloody impressed with all the Baabaa's coaches that have beaten test teams. Poms lost by 52-21 to Baabaas,who then beat Wallabies in a series this year.
I a little amused that we all saying a Razor coached team, and wonder why people say we kiwis are arrogant when the team was also coached by O'Gara, who most press and kiwis seem to conviniently overlook/ignore! God almighty we do make a rod for our own backs at times don't we? And there is no apparent criticism of the AB XV coach Leon MacDonald?
This is what coaching Baabaas is according to Razor:
It is great to be involved,” he said. “You meet a whole new group of guys, you jog around the field, make a couple of calls up and then go and trust your instincts and play.
I have seen Babaas beat a lot of test teams, not a basically 3rd team etc, hell they have knocked over the Boks ,, Ireland .Argentina , Fiji etc just in last 10 years.
I a bit of a fan of Razor as a coach, but some coaches have coached against much better teams with same amount of preparation, and done a lot better.Just out of interest we not only ones pissed at coach. Boks coach is copping plenty of shit, and Rennie is also copping plenty, there even talk of a review of his job by RA. Eddie Jones is copping it pretty big,as is Wayne Pivac, there are not many test coaches that are seemingly coaching to the standard of their teams 'supporters'
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Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
@kiwi_expat so close! And yet, it's really quite common for Baabaas to upset top test teams, so it should probably be pretty embarrassing for him that he hasn't put a century on the C team from a nation who is only ranked 3rd/4th.
A bunch of guys who will only make the top side for RWC if like 3 to 4 other players fall over. Well done Scott! Participation award.
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@kiwi_expat so close! And yet, it's really quite common for Baabaas to upset top test teams, so it should probably be pretty embarrassing for him that he hasn't put a century on the C team from a nation who is only ranked 3rd/4th.
A bunch of guys who will only make the top side for RWC if like 3 to 4 other players fall over. Well done Scott! Participation award.
@kiwi_expat so close! And yet, it's really quite common for Baabaas to upset top test teams, so it should probably be pretty embarrassing for him that he hasn't put a century on the C team from a nation who is only ranked 3rd/4th.
A bunch of guys who will only make the top side for RWC if like 3 to 4 other players fall over. Well done Scott! Participation award.
I know right thank god we have the Fat controller leading us to glory.
That win over Scotland was awe inspiring.
I can’t wait to go smash England this Weekend and win the WC in 2023 done deal under our present HC.
Extend Foster through to 2031 we must be able to get through the qualifying to make it to the WC in 2027 and 2031.
Although under Foster I do fear the Cayman Islands.
