Foster, Robertson etc
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Getting the best talent in NZ rugby, forcing them into pitched camps and then making them fight to the death for the job seems an entirely silly way of doing it...
I think we'd all agree with this.
No, no your wrong here, a number of people have been arguing with me all day this is exactly how it should be.
No we are trying to tell you that you are simplifying what happens to prove your argument and that your scenarios aren't based on reality.
I'm not overly sure as to which reality you live in.
If you have a small talent pool you need to do your best to attract as much of that talent as possible to apply for a vacancy.
Not put in place silly rules or process that limit that already small pool of talent.
Because if you put in place silly rules you have less people apply and less chance of getting the prerequisite talent to do the job.
Worst case scenario you get whittled down to only being able to pick from a very small pool of talent - like only 2 applications for the AB coach for instance.
You then don't get the right people for the job, they lack the necessary talent and when it comes to perform they fail (sounds awfully familiar doesn't it).
This is the EXACT reality we are in now.
All of the above is entirely of the design of the NZRU.
And instead of trying to offer a solution you offer nothing but apologetics.
I mean if you want to think this is the gold standard for recruitment fine, I'm honestly flabbergasted that something so obviously broken would have so many excuses made for it. But after all, this is the internet.
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you have a small talent pool you need to do your best to attract as much of that talent as possible to apply for a vacancy.
Not put in place silly rules or process that limit that already small pool of talent.
Because if you put in place silly rules you have less people apply and less chance of getting the prerequisite talent to do the job.
Worst case scenario you get whittled down to only being able to pick from a very small pool of talent - like only 2 applications for the AB coach for instance.
You then don't get the right people for the job, they lack the necessary talent and when it comes to perform they fail (sounds awfully familiar doesn't it).
This is the EXACT reality we are in now.
All of the above is entirely of the design of the NZRU.
completely agree.
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in classic TSF tradition this may have arisen and I am too lazy to search for it but a few days ago in NZH Mark Robinson said "I" and selecting the AB coach in the same sentence.
So does he? Does the board? Does he provide them a recommendation or a ranking and they have to decide/endorse? how likely/often do they not follow his (as the CEO) recommendation?
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in classic TSF tradition this may have arisen and I am too lazy to search for it but a few days ago in NZH Mark Robinson said "I" and selecting the AB coach in the same sentence.
So does he? Does the board? Does he provide them a recommendation or a ranking and they have to decide/endorse? how likely/often do they not follow his (as the CEO) recommendation?
@nostrildamus No he doesn't select the coach, usually the applicants go before a panel,also usually involves a few experienced players in some way (if I remember correctly), and they recommend to the NZR who they think should get the gig. He maybe a member of the board that handles interviews etc, but noone is appointed without it going to the NZR board. NZR is traditionally one of few that have a process, most unions don't have applicants.
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@nostrildamus No he doesn't select the coach, usually the applicants go before a panel,also usually involves a few experienced players in some way (if I remember correctly), and they recommend to the NZR who they think should get the gig. He maybe a member of the board that handles interviews etc, but noone is appointed without it going to the NZR board. NZR is traditionally one of few that have a process, most unions don't have applicants.
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus No he doesn't select the coach, usually the applicants go before a panel,also usually involves a few experienced players in some way (if I remember correctly), and they recommend to the NZR who they think should get the gig. He maybe a member of the board that handles interviews etc, but noone is appointed without it going to the NZR board. NZR is traditionally one of few that have a process, most unions don't have applicants.
I know you've said something like this before but in that direct quote which I can't currently find, it didn't read that way. Ok, feel free to forget this unless I find the quote.
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Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet" -
The NZR have backed mediocrity 3 times in a row.
On appointment in 2019, 'another 2 years' in 2021, and 'sinking in South Africa' in 2022.
Does the NZR have the courage to step outside the box and back proven ability and success?
Everyone knows the turnaround is attributable to Joe Schmidt & Jason Ryan (Razor's originally proposed forwards coach...)
He's delivered numerous unwanted firsts & has tarnished the team's reputation - which Henry/Hansen rebuilded.
Most disturbingly, Foster has cultivated a prevalent culture of mediocrity, where accountability is almost non-existent and embarrassingly poor excuses are constantly peddled to the rugby paying fan-base.
He treats the rugby public with contempt & doesn't bring the innate connection individuals like Razor/Smith carry with the wider public.
The NZRU made correct decision in Smith when the BFs were in disarray, the results were automatic (8 months).
Under Foster they've recorded a meagre 30% (3 from 10) success rate against top-tier (top 5) nations.
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Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
They might be mealy mouthed but if you sift through the bullshit it's clear they are bringing the process forward.
It's not even 2023 yet - Razor has said he wants the job and is going to apply.
By all accounts Razor was one Ellis Park loss away from being the ABs coach right now.
I will however continue to enjoy the freaking out on this thread for the next 6-9 months or however long til the 2024 AB coach is confirmed.
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I find this thread therapeutic.
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I find this thread therapeutic.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I find this thread therapeutic.
I'd use other words.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I find this thread therapeutic.
I'd use other words.
@booboo said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I find this thread therapeutic.
I'd use other words.
I find this thread other-wordy?
It seems to me more like a sadomasochistic meandering garden path down towards the RWC, hemmed in by two intractable walls of opinions: "Leave Foster there, the team likes him and Robertson must be overhyped/arrogant/inexperienced/risky" and a simple "get Foster out of there"! -
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
And they have already signed Razor until 2024. Personally I don't think there should be anymore info, apart from the applicants etc, who else needs to know?
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
And they have already signed Razor until 2024. Personally I don't think there should be anymore info, apart from the applicants etc, who else needs to know?
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
And they have already signed Razor until 2024. Personally I don't think there should be anymore info, apart from the applicants etc, who else needs to know?
Hinton apparently
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
And they have already signed Razor until 2024. Personally I don't think there should be anymore info, apart from the applicants etc, who else needs to know?
Hinton apparently
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
And they have already signed Razor until 2024. Personally I don't think there should be anymore info, apart from the applicants etc, who else needs to know?
Hinton apparently
And perhaps a few posters on rugby forums?
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
And they have already signed Razor until 2024. Personally I don't think there should be anymore info, apart from the applicants etc, who else needs to know?
Hinton apparently
And perhaps a few posters on rugby forums?
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hinton writes a complete non article telling everyone how bad it will be if NZR don't do something that they are actually doing.
"you'll have to put a roof on that house or you will get wet"
"we are putting a roof on the house"
"I hope you do put a roof on because otherwise you will get wet"Except we don't know if that is what they are doing. All we have heard is that there are conversations. The mealy-mouthed fuckers at NZR have not said, we are going to choose the ABs coach before RWC, they have just said we're aware things are changing. And with the way they run things, I would imagine that it will be status quo, decision after RWC, and no one is left but Foster and Co
And they have already signed Razor until 2024. Personally I don't think there should be anymore info, apart from the applicants etc, who else needs to know?
Hinton apparently
And perhaps a few posters on rugby forums?
He better not have worked out his preferred assistants though. That would be a recipe for disaster. Best that NZR put an ad on Seek.
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I was reading this morning that motor mouth Hamish McLennan has seemingly let it ne known he has been in contact with Eddie Jones after he has lost Pom job.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/130731734/wallabies-return-on-cards-as-eddie-jones-fields-call-from-rugby-australia-chair-hamish-mclennanWhy would you tell everyone, it's done nothing but undermine Rennie with Wallabies if it all true!
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I was reading this morning that motor mouth Hamish McLennan has seemingly let it ne known he has been in contact with Eddie Jones after he has lost Pom job.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/130731734/wallabies-return-on-cards-as-eddie-jones-fields-call-from-rugby-australia-chair-hamish-mclennanWhy would you tell everyone, it's done nothing but undermine Rennie with Wallabies if it all true!
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@Dan54 maybe Rennie has indicated he may be looking to move on?
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 maybe Rennie has indicated he may be looking to move on?
To who? Even if he has done that to RA, isn't that the point, you don't put it in the the press and undermine the team etc until things are finalised, some things should be kept in house to at least appear to have a solid set up.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 maybe Rennie has indicated he may be looking to move on?
To who? Even if he has done that to RA, isn't that the point, you don't put it in the the press and undermine the team etc until things are finalised, some things should be kept in house to at least appear to have a solid set up.
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@Dan54 Typicla McLennon though. That idiot seems to play everything via some (very average) media.
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 Typicla McLennon though. That idiot seems to play everything via some (very average) media.
Amen, I understand having your sport in print, but doesn't seem to know when to stop. Was good to see when Super agreement etc was announced, he wasn't there.
