Foster, Robertson etc
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@Dan54 guess it depends what they are asked, I certainly feel it would be easy to differentiate between a coach being a good guy and a coach being a good coach.
I know from when I was coaching teens, we had an ex NZ rep at trainings sometimes, he was an abrasive type fella, but the kids listened to him deliver the same message we did, but he did so different and got a better response from them.
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 guess it depends what they are asked, I certainly feel it would be easy to differentiate between a coach being a good guy and a coach being a good coach.
I know from when I was coaching teens, we had an ex NZ rep at trainings sometimes, he was an abrasive type fella, but the kids listened to him deliver the same message we did, but he did so different and got a better response from them.
Yep well like Sam W, RMo and the ABs, he wasn't actually asked anything, was just giving his opinion when they were discussing AB coach.
And know sometimes an abrasive voice is good etc, especially from someone with AB experience for teens. Hell we had Buck take a coaching session at my club in Aus and they(well kiwiw boys anyway) were wrapt and really hung on every word -
@kiwi_expat So you actually know what NZR's criteria is?
I would add I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job. I not sure why you comparing Eddie Jones and JJ records, as JJ started with a new team, and Eddie isn't standing for AB's job. And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
I will be pretty happy with whoever get's job as it will be selected by I guessing people who know more than me about applicants. -
@kiwi_expat So you actually know what NZR's criteria is?
I would add I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job. I not sure why you comparing Eddie Jones and JJ records, as JJ started with a new team, and Eddie isn't standing for AB's job. And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
I will be pretty happy with whoever get's job as it will be selected by I guessing people who know more than me about applicants.@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job.
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
Our aim is to world cups, I want a coach who is known for getting his team across the line consistently in knock-out matches.
Jamie Joseph had arguably the best NPC team at Wellington for multiple seasons and they could never get across the line at the end when it really mattered and claim titles. They had arguably the best talent coming through in most positions.
In his 6 seasons, the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th, 14th, 5th, 1st, 5th. 53% win-rate.
Not a bad record, but not particularly outstanding either.
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job.
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
Our aim is to world cups, I want a coach who is known for getting his team across the line consistently in knock-out matches.
Jamie Joseph had arguably the best NPC team at Wellington for multiple seasons and they could never get across the line at the end when it really mattered and claim titles. They had arguably the best talent coming through in most positions.
In his 6 seasons, the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th, 14th, 5th, 1st, 5th. 53% win-rate.
Not a bad record, but not particularly outstanding either.
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job.
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
Our aim is to world cups, I want a coach who is known for getting his team across the line consistently in knock-out matches.
Jamie Joseph had arguably the best NPC team at Wellington for multiple seasons and they could never get across the line at the end when it really mattered and claim titles. They had arguably the best talent coming through in most positions.
In his 6 seasons, the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th, 14th, 5th, 1st, 5th. 53% win-rate.
Not a bad record, but not particularly outstanding either.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job.
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
Our aim is to world cups, I want a coach who is known for getting his team across the line consistently in knock-out matches.
Jamie Joseph had arguably the best NPC team at Wellington for multiple seasons and they could never get across the line at the end when it really mattered and claim titles. They had arguably the best talent coming through in most positions.
In his 6 seasons, the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th, 14th, 5th, 1st, 5th. 53% win-rate.
Not a bad record, but not particularly outstanding either.
Fake news. Dixon never scored that try.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job.
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
Our aim is to world cups, I want a coach who is known for getting his team across the line consistently in knock-out matches.
Jamie Joseph had arguably the best NPC team at Wellington for multiple seasons and they could never get across the line at the end when it really mattered and claim titles. They had arguably the best talent coming through in most positions.
In his 6 seasons, the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th, 14th, 5th, 1st, 5th. 53% win-rate.
Not a bad record, but not particularly outstanding either.
Fake news. Dixon never scored that try.
@MN5 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job.
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
Our aim is to world cups, I want a coach who is known for getting his team across the line consistently in knock-out matches.
Jamie Joseph had arguably the best NPC team at Wellington for multiple seasons and they could never get across the line at the end when it really mattered and claim titles. They had arguably the best talent coming through in most positions.
In his 6 seasons, the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th, 14th, 5th, 1st, 5th. 53% win-rate.
Not a bad record, but not particularly outstanding either.
Fake news. Dixon never scored that try.
We was robbed
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job.
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
Our aim is to world cups, I want a coach who is known for getting his team across the line consistently in knock-out matches.
Jamie Joseph had arguably the best NPC team at Wellington for multiple seasons and they could never get across the line at the end when it really mattered and claim titles. They had arguably the best talent coming through in most positions.
In his 6 seasons, the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th, 14th, 5th, 1st, 5th. 53% win-rate.
Not a bad record, but not particularly outstanding either.
@kiwi_expat Yep well tell me about Hansen's record outside of ABs? And Deans who was and still is incredibly successful at super and now league one in Japan. I will leave it to experts to work out what is best.
I surprised that everyone (apart from me) thinks NZR don't select who they think is best for job ( rightly or wrongly) as you say.. Why do they select coaches?
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly believe the NZR will as always appoint the man they rightly or wrongly believe has the skills and experience to do job.
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
And do they say winning super rugby is more important than bringing up a team to 5th place in World cup, who knows, not me anyway.
Our aim is to world cups, I want a coach who is known for getting his team across the line consistently in knock-out matches.
Jamie Joseph had arguably the best NPC team at Wellington for multiple seasons and they could never get across the line at the end when it really mattered and claim titles. They had arguably the best talent coming through in most positions.
In his 6 seasons, the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th, 14th, 5th, 1st, 5th. 53% win-rate.
Not a bad record, but not particularly outstanding either.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I think you may be the one person on here that sincerely believes that.
I'm struggling with your point here. Please explain?
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@kiwi_expat Yep well tell me about Hansen's record outside of ABs? And Deans who was and still is incredibly successful at super and now league one in Japan. I will leave it to experts to work out what is best.
I surprised that everyone (apart from me) thinks NZR don't select who they think is best for job ( rightly or wrongly) as you say.. Why do they select coaches?
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat Yep well tell me about Hansen's record outside of ABs? And Deans who was and still is incredibly successful at super and now league one in Japan. I will leave it to experts to work out what is best.
And Foster was an unmitigated disaster at Super Rugby level which is why he should never have been allowed anywhere near the All Blacks head coach role. It's only the appointment of Schmidt and Ryan that saved his skin and allowed him to escape the season with a still historically poor 4 losses. Would have been 5, if not for that French referee in Bledisloe II, and the draw with England was a fittingly dismal end to the year.
At least having Foster as AB coach has done wonders for my blood pressure. I go into most big matches half expecting to lose these days so it's much easier to take when the inevitable poor performances unfold.
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hmmm
it was DESTINED!!!!! This has been coming since 2004
The messiah returns!..Joe Schmidt must have asked nicely
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hmmm
it was DESTINED!!!!! This has been coming since 2004
The messiah returns!..Joe Schmidt must have asked nicely
@bayimports said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hmmm
it was DESTINED!!!!! This has been coming since 2004
The messiah returns!..Joe Schmidt must have asked nicely
Wayne Ormond is dusting off his boots to fix the gaping hole we have at 6.
Fuck yes, it's on now fluffybunnies
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Rennie could be a good fit for Fiji although if Cotter's reasons are more around Fiji Rugby rather than as stated then it will be a difficult job to fill with quality.
Fiji have occasionally looked like really stepping up especially when they are allowed to draw on NH players. -
Rennie could be a good fit for Fiji although if Cotter's reasons are more around Fiji Rugby rather than as stated then it will be a difficult job to fill with quality.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.
Forgot that. Of course Oz would be in fear of losing to Fiji (again)
