Foster, Robertson etc
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@ARHS again, how is it any different to leaks that player x is heading to Japan/Europe?
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS again, how is it any different to leaks that player x is heading to Japan/Europe?
The impact on others is very different. I don't want to see the rwc campaign and player and coach choices and decisions undermined. There are HR laws in this country governing employee relations. Lots of sensitive stuff gets embargoed and is subject to confidentiality until formally announced.
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I don't see it as any different at all, in the past it has impacted selections by players announcing it, when it shouldn't.
Both are employees of NZR so subject to same privacy.
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@ARHS That's a fair enough point for not having an end date, fair cop.
However currently the official word is that "the process" has not begun, and there will be a meeting in late Feb to start "the process".
Are we all to believe that "the process" hasn't started?
The debacle in SA by the NZRU was exactly that - a debacle. Highly unsettling for Foster yet he survived, probably raised Robertson's expectations only to dash them, thoroughly confused in NZ public.
All while apparently taking place without any official start to "the process" of finding the next AB coach.
Yeah right.
This is a very odd way of prioritizing the welfare and needs of all they are responsible for...
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Are we all to believe that "the process" hasn't started?
The debacle in SA by the NZRU was exactly that - a debacle. Highly unsettling for Foster yet he survived, probably raised Robertson's expectations only to dash them, thoroughly confused in NZ public.
This is a very odd way of prioritizing the welfare and needs of all they are responsible for...
They had already decided to sack Foster in August due to his poor inconsistent record over many years yet a single win caused them to be so reactionary they retracted Robertson's contract offer and continued with Foster.
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
It's a wonder Robertson's even still here and didn't head overseas straight away.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Are we all to believe that "the process" hasn't started?
The debacle in SA by the NZRU was exactly that - a debacle. Highly unsettling for Foster yet he survived, probably raised Robertson's expectations only to dash them, thoroughly confused in NZ public.
This is a very odd way of prioritizing the welfare and needs of all they are responsible for...
They had already decided to sack Foster in August due to his poor inconsistent record over many years yet a single win caused them to be so reactionary they retracted Robertson's contract offer and continued with Foster.
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
It's a wonder Robertson's even still here and didn't head overseas straight away.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Are we all to believe that "the process" hasn't started?
The debacle in SA by the NZRU was exactly that - a debacle. Highly unsettling for Foster yet he survived, probably raised Robertson's expectations only to dash them, thoroughly confused in NZ public.
This is a very odd way of prioritizing the welfare and needs of all they are responsible for...
They had already decided to sack Foster in August due to his poor inconsistent record over many years yet a single win caused them to be so reactionary they retracted Robertson's contract offer and continued with Foster.
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
It's a wonder Robertson's even still here and didn't head overseas straight away.
Backtracked after a Player meeting in Mark Robinsons room in SA.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Are we all to believe that "the process" hasn't started?
The debacle in SA by the NZRU was exactly that - a debacle. Highly unsettling for Foster yet he survived, probably raised Robertson's expectations only to dash them, thoroughly confused in NZ public.
This is a very odd way of prioritizing the welfare and needs of all they are responsible for...
They had already decided to sack Foster in August due to his poor inconsistent record over many years yet a single win caused them to be so reactionary they retracted Robertson's contract offer and continued with Foster.
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
It's a wonder Robertson's even still here and didn't head overseas straight away.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
So you don't really know then...
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
So you don't really know then...
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
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I think that the only thing that we really can take as true is that Razor was asked if he would be willing to take the job if Foster was let go.
No doubt he said yes but the rest didn't happen.
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@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
@kiwi_expat ...pretty sure that's what a rumor is...example....someone in NZR said that NZR offered the job to eddie jones...see...its easy
for it not to be a rumor razor or Mark Robinson would have to give a first hand account publicly
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@kiwi_expat ...pretty sure that's what a rumor is...example....someone in NZR said that NZR offered the job to eddie jones...see...its easy
for it not to be a rumor razor or Mark Robinson would have to give a first hand account publicly
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat ...pretty sure that's what a rumor is...example....someone in NZR said that NZR offered the job to eddie jones...see...its easy
for it not to be a rumor razor or Mark Robinson would have to give a first hand account publicly
A lot of rumours floating around,You here so much, even from people close to the people involved, but they are so contradicting who would know what is true and isn't true.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat ...pretty sure that's what a rumor is...example....someone in NZR said that NZR offered the job to eddie jones...see...its easy
for it not to be a rumor razor or Mark Robinson would have to give a first hand account publicly
A lot of rumours floating around,You here so much, even from people close to the people involved, but they are so contradicting who would know what is true and isn't true.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
In other words, unsubstantiated bollocks.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
Depends which side you are on probably.@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
Depends which side you are on probably.No. It depends on rumour mills and 'twisting' of facts. Not necessarily with bad intention.
Let's say he was asked the question but then staff were asked to prepare a contract to be ready. That would easily end up with 'staff' interpreting this as a done deal that didn't go ahead even if the intention from management was to be ready to move quickly should Foster get ditched or resign.
Razor will have also confided in friends and colleagues as well as his Saders employers and that opens up even more room for interpretation. Being 'offered the job' is the phrase rather than 'offered the job IF it becomes available'. Both are true statements but one adds key detail. -
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
Depends which side you are on probably.No. It depends on rumour mills and 'twisting' of facts. Not necessarily with bad intention.
Let's say he was asked the question but then staff were asked to prepare a contract to be ready. That would easily end up with 'staff' interpreting this as a done deal that didn't go ahead even if the intention from management was to be ready to move quickly should Foster get ditched or resign.
Razor will have also confided in friends and colleagues as well as his Saders employers and that opens up even more room for interpretation. Being 'offered the job' is the phrase rather than 'offered the job IF it becomes available'. Both are true statements but one adds key detail.@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
Depends which side you are on probably.No. It depends on rumour mills and 'twisting' of facts. Not necessarily with bad intention.
Let's say he was asked the question but then staff were asked to prepare a contract to be ready. That would easily end up with 'staff' interpreting this as a done deal that didn't go ahead even if the intention from management was to be ready to move quickly should Foster get ditched or resign.
Razor will have also confided in friends and colleagues as well as his Saders employers and that opens up even more room for interpretation. Being 'offered the job' is the phrase rather than 'offered the job IF it becomes available'. Both are true statements but one adds key detail.I don't disagree but what I mean by which side you are on,It depends what you believe and maybe add to or take way to make it sound better or worse.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
Depends which side you are on probably.No. It depends on rumour mills and 'twisting' of facts. Not necessarily with bad intention.
Let's say he was asked the question but then staff were asked to prepare a contract to be ready. That would easily end up with 'staff' interpreting this as a done deal that didn't go ahead even if the intention from management was to be ready to move quickly should Foster get ditched or resign.
Razor will have also confided in friends and colleagues as well as his Saders employers and that opens up even more room for interpretation. Being 'offered the job' is the phrase rather than 'offered the job IF it becomes available'. Both are true statements but one adds key detail.I don't disagree but what I mean by which side you are on,It depends what you believe and maybe add to or take way to make it sound better or worse.
Statements can become rumours good or bad depending who gets hold of the rumours.@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
Depends which side you are on probably.No. It depends on rumour mills and 'twisting' of facts. Not necessarily with bad intention.
Let's say he was asked the question but then staff were asked to prepare a contract to be ready. That would easily end up with 'staff' interpreting this as a done deal that didn't go ahead even if the intention from management was to be ready to move quickly should Foster get ditched or resign.
Razor will have also confided in friends and colleagues as well as his Saders employers and that opens up even more room for interpretation. Being 'offered the job' is the phrase rather than 'offered the job IF it becomes available'. Both are true statements but one adds key detail.I don't disagree but what I mean by which side you are on,It depends what you believe and maybe add to or take way to make it sound better or worse.
Statements can become rumours good or bad depending who gets hold of the rumours.It is when they are touted as fact that it is a problem.
There is only one truth. I don't buy into this current strangeness of 'alternative facts' or 'my truth'.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
In other words, unsubstantiated bollocks.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
In other words, unsubstantiated bollocks.
Seems you're upset about NZR exposed for lack of integrity & denial is your coping mechanism.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
In other words, unsubstantiated bollocks.
Seems you're upset about NZR exposed for lack of integrity & denial is your coping mechanism.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
In other words, unsubstantiated bollocks.
Seems you're upset about NZR exposed for lack of integrity & denial is your coping mechanism.
I don't think you can make a call of 'lack of integrity' without backing it up with more than hearsay. That's only fair isn't it? Otherwise the lack of integrity lands on the accuser.
