Black Caps v England
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
I like seeing Kane listed at 4!!!
I hate seeing Kane listed at 4.
I'll live in hope that the cricinfo version is correct, as it has him listed at 3.
I like having our best batsman at 4 - giving him an extra layer of protection from the new ball in case of an early wicket.
When we had Rossco at 4, I didn't mind Kane at 3 - but, we have Latham, Conway and Young all used to batting in the top 3 at the top and I would definitely use them there to help mitigate the new ball risk to Kane.
My take. I don't see Kane as having a technique that needs shielding. Unlike Kohli and Smith whipping straight/offish stuff to leg, or Root not getting far forward. Although, tbh, all of those guys are/were more than capable of batting 3 at the peak of their powers. But I'd have doubts as they age (especially Kohli and Smith's techniques).
Secondly. I also don't see Kane as having the higher gears, or looseness, that benfits from batting lower.
With his dodgy elbow, even more so I doubt we see him becoming a quicker-scoring 4, more likely he becomes a dour(er) 3.
Thirdly, Despite Young opening for Blackcps, this is never, not a single occasion, something he has done for CD. Only ever for NZA and Blackcaps. Although he bats 3 for CD for ages now, this is as a 'graduated strokemaking' 4 who has tightened his game and taken on more responsibility. I'd see him as quite an ideal 4 at international level, if he can translate it to test level.
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
I like seeing Kane listed at 4!!!
I hate seeing Kane listed at 4.
I'll live in hope that the cricinfo version is correct, as it has him listed at 3.
I like having our best batsman at 4 - giving him an extra layer of protection from the new ball in case of an early wicket.
When we had Rossco at 4, I didn't mind Kane at 3 - but, we have Latham, Conway and Young all used to batting in the top 3 at the top and I would definitely use them there to help mitigate the new ball risk to Kane.
My take. I don't see Kane as having a technique that needs shielding. Unlike Kohli and Smith whipping straight/offish stuff to leg, or Root not getting far forward. Although, tbh, all of those guys are/were more than capable of batting 3 at the peak of their powers. But I'd have doubts as they age (especially Kohli and Smith's techniques).
Secondly. I also don't see Kane as having the higher gears, or looseness, that benfits from batting lower.
With his dodgy elbow, even more so I doubt we see him becoming a quicker-scoring 4, more likely he becomes a dour(er) 3.
Thirdly, Despite Young opening for Blackcps, this is never, not a single occasion, something he has done for CD. Only ever for NZA and Blackcaps. Although he bats 3 for CD for ages now, this is as a 'graduated strokemaking' 4 who has tightened his game and taken on more responsibility. I'd see him as quite an ideal 4 at international level, if he can translate it to test level.
Looks likely especially given Nicholls recent form.
It’s probably too much to expect either of them to be the next Rossco though.
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21/3, now they look very very comfrotable. We are just not troubling them, they're pumping us all over the park.
Henry did bloody well against Brook, but we're leaking now. Two inside edges past teh stumps, and a good LBW shout, and that's about it (well, from what I've seen).
Well played England; we're struggling
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21/3, now they look very very comfrotable. We are just not troubling them, they're pumping us all over the park.
Henry did bloody well against Brook, but we're leaking now. Two inside edges past teh stumps, and a good LBW shout, and that's about it (well, from what I've seen).
Well played England; we're struggling
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Wow, just checked the score, they are getting absolutely thrashed again already.
Some of that doesn't surprise. E.g. they're a bit shit now anyway, but I also expected them to struggle when the ball got old. As mentioned about 3rd/4th bowler balance earlier in thread.
The signs on Wagner have been pretty clear for a while now. Not just the last dumpster fire match by him. This was a poor selection. It's clear they need a role player like Tickner so the group can bowl to an actual near-functional plan, Wagner isn't up to it anymore.
Not that I'm actually watching any of it .this is just some cricinfo live scoring based 'analysis' ... I couldn't bring myself to pull out the credit card and turn Spark back on when I saw the squad for the first test, Stead drifters. I'm very unenthused.
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@nzzp I'm only watching on Cricinfo - but, I had a bad feeling when Mitch came on at first change that this was a hook we were going to let them off.
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@nzzp I'm only watching on Cricinfo - but, I had a bad feeling when Mitch came on at first change that this was a hook we were going to let them off.
To be fair to Daryl, he's got Wagner supplying the medium-fast half trackers to the buffet once again. 12 overs 0 - 81 thus far. Not that there are many knocking down the door with top performances to replace Wags.
Ish might have been pleased to sit this one out on the current run rate!
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Wow, just checked the score, they are getting absolutely thrashed again already.
Some of that doesn't surprise. E.g. they're a bit shit now anyway, but I also expected them to struggle when the ball got old. As mentioned about 3rd/4th bowler balance earlier in thread.
The signs on Wagner have been pretty clear for a while now. Not just the last dumpster fire match by him. This was a poor selection. It's clear they need a role player like Tickner so the group can bowl to an actual near-functional plan, Wagner isn't up to it anymore.
Not that I'm actually watching any of it .this is just some cricinfo live scoring based 'analysis' ... I couldn't bring myself to pull out the credit card and turn Spark back on when I saw the squad for the first test, Stead drifters. I'm very unenthused.
@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
Wow, just checked the score, they are getting absolutely thrashed again already.
Some of that doesn't surprise. E.g. they're a bit shit now anyway, but I also expected them to struggle when the ball got old. As mentioned about 3rd/4th bowler balance earlier in thread.
The signs on Wagner have been pretty clear for a while now. Not just the last dumpster fire match by him. This was a poor selection. It's clear they need a role player like Tickner so the group can bowl to an actual near-functional plan, Wagner isn't up to it anymore.
Not that I'm actually watching any of it .this is just some cricinfo live scoring based 'analysis' ... I couldn't bring myself to pull out the credit card and turn Spark back on when I saw the squad for the first test, Stead drifters. I'm very unenthused.
Yeah, turns out you can’t just use a different email to get a free trial you actually have to provide a different credit card each time.
Crafty fluffybunnies.
Back on topic in case I get told off again, England are really putting the BCs to the sword at a rapid rate.
This nerdy looking new kid sure can bat
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@mariner4life He's done it at a strike rate of 99.62!!!
800 runs in 803 balls.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
There it is - well done Brook!
retire immediately
Still got Andy to knock off!
https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/andy-ganteaume-51874
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send them in and they're 308/3 after 63
things looked so much better 57 overs ago. Hell of a partnership
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Brook's live average is currently 98.75 - 10 more runs to average 100.
#Betterthanbradman
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Brook's live average is currently 98.75 - 10 more runs to average 100.
#Betterthanbradman
Steady on, Jimmy Adams averaged 87 after 12 tests….look how he turned out.
Vinod Kambli is another who springs to mind. Mike Hussey maybe too.
This kid probably isn’t even as good as our boy Conway
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Brook's live average is currently 98.75 - 10 more runs to average 100.
#Betterthanbradman
Steady on, Jimmy Adams averaged 87 after 12 tests….look how he turned out.
Vinod Kambli is another who springs to mind. Mike Hussey maybe too.
This kid probably isn’t even as good as our boy Conway
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So bowling first spectacularly backfired once again
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v England:
So bowling first spectacularly backfired once again
To expand on this, bowling first should only be considered in extremely bowler friendly conditions where you are confident you will roll them for less than 200, less than 150 ideally. Bowling first in both of these tests is just idiotic.
If you bat first and manage 250, even if they reply with 400 you are still a good chance of setting them a tricky total to chase. On the flip side, if you score 250 in response to them making 400 batting first, you are fucked and it's just a matter of how bigger total they want to set you.
To me, us choosing to bowl just says to England we are scared of your bowling lineup and don't think we will survive the first hour. It's a really negative mindset.
