Foster, Robertson etc

[Crucial]

More bullshit rumours to keep the thread on life support.

Facts: NZR were going through an internal review to decide how and when the next coach would be chosen. NZR have decided how and when. We have been told the when but they have also said the process is starting. There's no done deal.

My guess: they are now sounding out shortlisted candidates in detail and letting them know what they would expect to have presented at an interview
Sounds good to me. Let's not blindside candidates or set traps. Allow them to put their best foot forward

[Kiwiwomble]

@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

And i will laugh my ass off if Joseph gets the job and everyone expresses how happy they are because the Razor fanboys won't actually be happy, and on top of that i distinctly remember threads on here about people want Joseph fired from every gig in NZ he's had over the years.

That's because he was never a resounding success as a coach, it wasn't until Tony Brown joined him in 2014 that he started to get results, the season before he led the Highlanders to 14th/15, 9th, 10th.

Brown is one of the most astute rugby minds NZ has ever seen & I credit the Highlanders 2015 title and 2019 WC upsets to him more than Joseph.

thats just a really narrow view...purely looking at league position, most people, i believe, would acknowledge huge strides the highlanders made under JJ as soon as he joined, started building a culture, identified young guys like smith and sopoaga and brought them south, developed a game plan on the back of counter rucking and completing at the breakdown (something very much out of favour at the time)

I think even he has acknowledged he fell to temptation and tried to "buy" the final 20% he needed to win in 2013 with woodcock and nonu....but learnt and actually did it two years later

none of that is saying razor isn;t better....but the case for JJ isn't an invalid one

[Chris]

@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:

More bullshit rumours to keep the thread on life support.

Facts: NZR were going through an internal review to decide how and when the next coach would be chosen. NZR have decided how and when. We have been told the when but they have also said the process is starting. There's no done deal.

My guess: they are now sounding out shortlisted candidates in detail and letting them know what they would expect to have presented at an interview
Sounds good to me. Let's not blindside candidates or set traps. Allow them to put their best foot forward

That sounds about right to me I can't see a done deal here either.

[george33]

@Chris yip it's Schmidt don't usually talk much but think Leon is heading away

[Chris]

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris yip it's Schmidt don't usually talk much but think Leon is heading away

Thanks Mate that makes sense.

[gt12]

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris yip it's Schmidt don't usually talk much but think Leon is heading away

Either way, after five years, it could be time to go up here or go overseas.

[Crucial]

I'm wary of Rangi getting such a free ride. I'm not convinced that the better version of the Blues is attributable to his coaching as much as a better organisation. Blues always had the players but the coaches didn't always have the right organisation backing them.
I know little of his areas of expertise (he uses others for forwards and defence).

[george33]

@Crucial Rennie b blues next season

[Crucial]

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Crucial Rennie b blues next season

If true that could put the Rennie/ Coventry team back together.

[george33]

@Crucial agree

[Chris]

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Crucial agree

Schmidt and Rennie at the blues ?

[canefan]

@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:

I'm wary of Rangi getting such a free ride. I'm not convinced that the better version of the Blues is attributable to his coaching as much as a better organisation. Blues always had the players but the coaches didn't always have the right organisation backing them.
I know little of his areas of expertise (he uses others for forwards and defence).

Yeah I'm yet to be convinced. Maybe he'll be a better AC than a HC...

[kiwi_expat]

Japan's current defense coach John Mitchell is said to be taking over Japan in 2024, so if Joseph gets the All Black job - do you think he'll retain McLeod for the defense role?

Plumtree was Joseph's defense coach for Japan 2017-2018, between 2019-2021 it was Scott Hansen (who is now Razor's proposed All Blacks defense coach), any guesses?

[george33]

@Chris Rennie yes

[Chris]

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris Rennie yes

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris Rennie yes

So you are saying Schmidt has been told he is the new AB coach ?

[kiwi_expat]

@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:

Apologies for not writing in crayon.

We need to be innovative to unlock defences at test level and that’s a special area of his.
I don’t see similar innovation in unlocking defences from Holland or the Crusaders.

Jason Holland isn't a great head coach. But he has proven in the past to be a very competent attack coach. Every now and then you can see the Hurricanes come up with some very innovative attacking plays from set piece. As long as he is kept away from selection, he should be good.

[Crucial]

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris Rennie yes

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris Rennie yes

So you are saying Schmidt has been told he is the new AB coach ?

I don’t think so but it is hard to tell sometimes with one word posts.

[Chris]

@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris Rennie yes

@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris Rennie yes

So you are saying Schmidt has been told he is the new AB coach ?

I don’t think so but it is hard to tell sometimes with one word posts.

Yep I am totally confused now.

[taniwharugby]

@Chris and me...although TBF, in this thread who the fuck knows what's going on...we may as well be NZR HQ!

[Victor Meldrew]

@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris and me...although TBF, in this thread who the fuck knows what's going on...we may as well be NZR HQ!