Foster, Robertson etc
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Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who would actually like to see Foster continue?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who would actually like to see Foster continue?
There are actually a fair few...
oh and
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im going to say it...blackadder wasn't as bad a coach as some would have you believe, still had over 60% win record, runners up twice and 4 more playoffs, yes, he was missing what was needed to win it but that 2011 final appearance was a huge achievement on the back of the earthquakes, (no real home games etc) for example
Razor definitely didn't start on the back foot, he has grown significantly but on what was already a pretty string foundation between the crusaders organisation in general and a pretty healthy team (if not champion) under blackadder
This thread is the TSF equivalent of Burn After Reading ... Just not so witty.
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@Machpants at least 2 of those coaches won't be continuing after 2023.
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@Machpants at least 2 of those coaches won't be continuing after 2023.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants at least 2 of those coaches won't be continuing after 2023.
Killjoy
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im going to say it...blackadder wasn't as bad a coach as some would have you believe, still had over 60% win record, runners up twice and 4 more playoffs, yes, he was missing what was needed to win it but that 2011 final appearance was a huge achievement on the back of the earthquakes, (no real home games etc) for example
Razor definitely didn't start on the back foot, he has grown significantly but on what was already a pretty string foundation between the crusaders organisation in general and a pretty healthy team (if not champion) under blackadder
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
and a pretty healthy team (if not champion) under blackadder
Haha, not exactly champion, they finished 7th in the two seasons before Robertson took over.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
and a pretty healthy team (if not champion) under blackadder
Haha, not exactly champion, they finished 7th in the two seasons before Robertson took over.
@Asterik6 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
and a pretty healthy team (if not champion) under blackadder
Haha, not exactly champion, they finished 7th in the two seasons before
RobertsonRobertson's Assistants took over.I've fixed it for you, but if you read up the thread, Head Coaches don't have any impact on success and just are just a front for successful Assistants.
Oh hang on, that only works when Robertson isn't Head Coach....
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Don't know where else to post this:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/18/time-is-right-all-blacks-mental-guru-enoka-leaving-after-rwc/
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Don't know where else to post this:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/18/time-is-right-all-blacks-mental-guru-enoka-leaving-after-rwc/
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Don't know where else to post this:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/18/time-is-right-all-blacks-mental-guru-enoka-leaving-after-rwc/
Great servant. Got Richie and Co over the hump in 2011
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@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Don't know where else to post this:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/18/time-is-right-all-blacks-mental-guru-enoka-leaving-after-rwc/
Great servant. Got Richie and Co over the hump in 2011
@canefan heard him speak last October, outstanding, a guy at my table said it was the 3rd time he had heard him speak, and each time, different, but equally excellent.
Said Wayne Smith, Richie among others as having a big influence on him too.
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I agree
Gifford backing a Crusader. Colour me shocked.
Would be like Kirwan backing a Blue.
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I agree
Not having read past the paywall, does his hypothesis downgrade the valuing of Joe Schmidt? Seems to me to have been more of an organizer and taskmaster with Ireland than an outright innovative strategist?
Having spent several weeks pondering great, good, average, and just not very good All Blacks coaches, it became clear the best coaches were the innovators. -
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I agree
Not having read past the paywall, does his hypothesis downgrade the valuing of Joe Schmidt? Seems to me to have been more of an organizer and taskmaster with Ireland than an outright innovative strategist?
Having spent several weeks pondering great, good, average, and just not very good All Blacks coaches, it became clear the best coaches were the innovators.@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I agree
Not having read past the paywall, does his hypothesis downgrade the valuing of Joe Schmidt? Seems to me to have been more of an organizer and taskmaster with Ireland than an outright innovative strategist?
Having spent several weeks pondering great, good, average, and just not very good All Blacks coaches, it became clear the best coaches were the innovators.Schmidt not mentioned as he is not running for coach, so why would you mention him? He's irrelevant
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I agree
Not having read past the paywall, does his hypothesis downgrade the valuing of Joe Schmidt? Seems to me to have been more of an organizer and taskmaster with Ireland than an outright innovative strategist?
Having spent several weeks pondering great, good, average, and just not very good All Blacks coaches, it became clear the best coaches were the innovators.Schmidt not mentioned as he is not running for coach, so why would you mention him? He's irrelevant
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I agree
Not having read past the paywall, does his hypothesis downgrade the valuing of Joe Schmidt? Seems to me to have been more of an organizer and taskmaster with Ireland than an outright innovative strategist?
Having spent several weeks pondering great, good, average, and just not very good All Blacks coaches, it became clear the best coaches were the innovators.Schmidt not mentioned as he is not running for coach, so why would you mention him? He's irrelevant
I'm sorry, I'm a bit off topic. Not meaning in terms of AB coach, just interested in whether his analysis is correct, that the best coaches are always innovators.
Seems intuitive, but sometimes people who carry on what is working well or who teaches basics and bring them back to a more unified game plan may be worth considering as coaches.
Might not seem relevant to ABS in the past, when usually other teams are trying to catch up but now it seems to me we are playing catch up AND seem to have lost some shine and robustness around basic skills.
So long story short, not sure looking at past AB coaching success is guaranteed 100% relevant here.
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@canefan heard him speak last October, outstanding, a guy at my table said it was the 3rd time he had heard him speak, and each time, different, but equally excellent.
Said Wayne Smith, Richie among others as having a big influence on him too.
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan heard him speak last October, outstanding, a guy at my table said it was the 3rd time he had heard him speak, and each time, different, but equally excellent.
Said Wayne Smith, Richie among others as having a big influence on him too.
I think a lot of these sort of people fire off each other and you get magic happening in coaching set-ups.
A bit OT but a friends missus is a head teacher in Wales who heard Graham Henry speak at a few education events when he was there. Calls him probably the most inspiring educationalist she'd heard.
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Don't know where else to post this:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/18/time-is-right-all-blacks-mental-guru-enoka-leaving-after-rwc/
@Stargazer Gilbert Enoka's been a fantastic servant of the Black Jersey. I wish him a long and happy retirement.
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No one had posted this:
All Blacks great Ma’a Nonu and former Black Sox player and coach Eddie Kohlhase are poised to be on the panel assembled by New Zealand Rugby to pick the next All Blacks coach, while current players will also have their say.
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No one had posted this:
All Blacks great Ma’a Nonu and former Black Sox player and coach Eddie Kohlhase are poised to be on the panel assembled by New Zealand Rugby to pick the next All Blacks coach, while current players will also have their say.
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
No one had posted this:
All Blacks great Ma’a NonIu and former Black Sox player and coach Eddie Kohlhase are poised to be on the panel assembled by New Zealand Rugby to pick the next All Blacks coach, while current players will also have their say.
It is absurd that current players should have any say (at all) in who their next boss is.
If this was common practice some of the best coaches across history would've never gotten a look in as players disliked their intensity - look at RWC winning coach Jake White, many of the players from that 2007 campaign don't want anything to do with him because by all accounts he was a bit of a prick, was an obsessed, detailed, driven & very demanding coach and so many other successful coaches, Bob Dyer, Eddie Jones, Rassie Erasmus, all equally driven hard taskmasters and had intense personalities that many players found uncomfortable at times.
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@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
No one had posted this:
All Blacks great Ma’a NonIu and former Black Sox player and coach Eddie Kohlhase are poised to be on the panel assembled by New Zealand Rugby to pick the next All Blacks coach, while current players will also have their say.
It is absurd that current players should have any say (at all) in who their next boss is.
If this was common practice some of the best coaches across history would've never gotten a look in as players disliked their intensity - look at RWC winning coach Jake White, many of the players from that 2007 campaign don't want anything to do with him because by all accounts he was a bit of a prick, was an obsessed, detailed, driven & very demanding coach and so many other successful coaches, Bob Dyer, Eddie Jones, Rassie Erasmus, all equally driven hard taskmasters and had intense personalities that many players found uncomfortable at times.
@kiwi_expat I doubt that current players will be involved in rating or commenting on applicants. More likely that their part in the process will be to be interviewed themselves for information on requirements. Eg what are the coaching improvement areas and gaps that they see. What attributes do the players feel they respect etc
