All Blacks World Cup bolters
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@Nepia said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Turning up with the likes of Perenara, ALB, Goodhue, Havili et al won't cut the mustard anyway.
They weren't the answer 4 years ago.
He doesn't belong in that group.
I hear you, but vanilla won't win this World Cup. We need to put his brain in Ioanes body.
ALB is a decent defender, but Ringrose, Danty, Fickou, Henshaw, Aki etc will eat him without salt on attack.
We need a scalpel or a wrecking ball. He is neither.
We tried all this in 2019. It didn't work.
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Nepia said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Turning up with the likes of Perenara, ALB, Goodhue, Havili et al won't cut the mustard anyway.
They weren't the answer 4 years ago.
He doesn't belong in that group.
I hear you, but vanilla won't win this World Cup. We need to put his brain in Ioanes body.
ALB is a decent defender, but Ringrose, Danty, Fickou, Henshaw, Aki etc will eat him without salt on attack.
We need a scalpel or a wrecking ball. He is neither.
We tried all this in 2019. It didn't work.
IMHO, ALB has one of the most important qualities in a midfielder than any other AB contender in that he is consistently rock-solid. He may not set the world on fire (TBF neither did Conrad) but it's hard to remember a game where he has played badly - apart from when he came back from nearly a year off last year.
I think he could have been the player a new midfield was built around but Foster & co. screwing about position-wise since 2019 and his injuries contributed to the sticking plaster approach we've had since.
As for bolters, I've always liked Nankivell. There's a big opportunity for someone to step up in the next few months and Pohipi looks really promising.
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@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Nepia said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Turning up with the likes of Perenara, ALB, Goodhue, Havili et al won't cut the mustard anyway.
They weren't the answer 4 years ago.
He doesn't belong in that group.
I hear you, but vanilla won't win this World Cup. We need to put his brain in Ioanes body.
ALB is a decent defender, but Ringrose, Danty, Fickou, Henshaw, Aki etc will eat him without salt on attack.
We need a scalpel or a wrecking ball. He is neither.
We tried all this in 2019. It didn't work.
IMHO, ALB has one of the most important qualities in a midfielder than any other AB contender in that he is consistently rock-solid. He may not set the world on fire (TBF neither did Conrad) but it's hard to remember a game where he has played badly - apart from when he came back from nearly a year off last year.
I think he could have been the player a new midfield was built around but Foster & co. screwing about position-wise since 2019 and his injuries contributed to the sticking plaster approach we've had since.
As for bolters, I've always liked Nankivell. There's a big opportunity for someone to step up in the next few months and Pohipi looks really promising.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Nepia said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Turning up with the likes of Perenara, ALB, Goodhue, Havili et al won't cut the mustard anyway.
They weren't the answer 4 years ago.
He doesn't belong in that group.
I hear you, but vanilla won't win this World Cup. We need to put his brain in Ioanes body.
ALB is a decent defender, but Ringrose, Danty, Fickou, Henshaw, Aki etc will eat him without salt on attack.
We need a scalpel or a wrecking ball. He is neither.
We tried all this in 2019. It didn't work.
IMHO, ALB has one of the most important qualities in a midfielder than any other AB contender in that he is consistently rock-solid. He may not set the world on fire (TBF neither did Conrad) but it's hard to remember a game where he has played badly - apart from when he came back from nearly a year off last year.
I think he could have been the player a new midfield was built around but Foster & co. screwing about position-wise since 2019 and his injuries contributed to the sticking plaster approach we've had since.
As for bolters, I've always liked Nankivell. There's a big opportunity for someone to step up in the next few months and Pohipi looks really promising.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, but im trying to think of players who give the other teams something to worry about.
I think the Irish would look across at ALB and feel like they have nothing to worry about.
As opposed to a Nonu, SBW, Danty, Levi Aumua type.
I don't think Ioane is a good centre but you'd still be shitting yourself when he gets the ball because those wheels give any defender a nightmare. His try in Paris 2021 being a good example.
Although......I would like ALB at centre with Ioane Jordan/Stevenson on the wing. I could live with that concession. if it means getting Rieko back at 11.
I just can't get the 2019 George Bridge, Goodhue, ALB triumvirate out of my head.
It was meh meh meh.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Nepia said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Turning up with the likes of Perenara, ALB, Goodhue, Havili et al won't cut the mustard anyway.
They weren't the answer 4 years ago.
He doesn't belong in that group.
I hear you, but vanilla won't win this World Cup. We need to put his brain in Ioanes body.
ALB is a decent defender, but Ringrose, Danty, Fickou, Henshaw, Aki etc will eat him without salt on attack.
We need a scalpel or a wrecking ball. He is neither.
We tried all this in 2019. It didn't work.
IMHO, ALB has one of the most important qualities in a midfielder than any other AB contender in that he is consistently rock-solid. He may not set the world on fire (TBF neither did Conrad) but it's hard to remember a game where he has played badly - apart from when he came back from nearly a year off last year.
I think he could have been the player a new midfield was built around but Foster & co. screwing about position-wise since 2019 and his injuries contributed to the sticking plaster approach we've had since.
As for bolters, I've always liked Nankivell. There's a big opportunity for someone to step up in the next few months and Pohipi looks really promising.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, but im trying to think of players who give the other teams something to worry about.
I think the Irish would look across at ALB and feel like they have nothing to worry about.
As opposed to a Nonu, SBW, Danty, Levi Aumua type.
I don't think Ioane is a good centre but you'd still be shitting yourself when he gets the ball because those wheels give any defender a nightmare. His try in Paris 2021 being a good example.
Although......I would like ALB at centre with Ioane Jordan/Stevenson on the wing. I could live with that concession. if it means getting Rieko back at 11.
I just can't get the 2019 George Bridge, Goodhue, ALB triumvirate out of my head.
It was meh meh meh.
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
I think the Irish would look across at ALB and feel like they have nothing to worry about
Dunno. I wonder if they'd think "there's one solid player there who'll be a pain in the neck on defence, be smart enough to spot any weaknesses and closes off a lot of our options on attack and defence."
I don't think Ioane is a good centre but you'd still be shitting yourself when he gets the ball because those wheels give any defender a nightmare. His try in Paris 2021 being a good example.
Think Reiko has worked hard & come along in leaps and bounds in the last year. The top 5% of his brain still needs some work as there's still a few brain-farts and he runs away from support at times, but his defence has improved hugely and he seems to read the game much better.
Big worry if JB or Reiko get injured, so perhaps a bolter in midfield,
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@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Roigards claims are becoming undeniable
From what little I've seen he is definitely at least #2 on form for NZ halfbacks so far...
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I’ll go against the trend in this thread and actually suggest a bolter - Heem
He’s consistently done a good job for the Blues subbing on at 11, 12, 13 or 14. He’s in the picture as he made the AB xv last year
You need utilities in a relatively small RWC squad. A specialist bench option. That role is currently taken by Ennor
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I’ll go against the trend in this thread and actually suggest a bolter - Heem
He’s consistently done a good job for the Blues subbing on at 11, 12, 13 or 14. He’s in the picture as he made the AB xv last year
You need utilities in a relatively small RWC squad. A specialist bench option. That role is currently taken by Ennor
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
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@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I like Heem’s game but there is no way that Fozzie is dropping (his man) ALB. I think ALB has that 23 jersey sewn up.
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Heem is the kind of guy to miss out because NZ rugby is ageist as fuck
Yeah you're awesome but you're 26? Ew no thanks
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@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
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@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I like Heem’s game but there is no way that Fozzie is dropping (his man) ALB. I think ALB has that 23 jersey sewn up.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I like Heem’s game but there is no way that Fozzie is dropping (his man) ALB. I think ALB has that 23 jersey sewn up.
It feels meme-ish here to go at ALB but he's genuinely out best midfielder
Problem is he's not the best 12 for our 10s
And I don't think he's the 13 for the guy they are picking at 12
And you know what? That's okay. That's actually good selection -
@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I like Heem’s game but there is no way that Fozzie is dropping (his man) ALB. I think ALB has that 23 jersey sewn up.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I like Heem’s game but there is no way that Fozzie is dropping (his man) ALB. I think ALB has that 23 jersey sewn up.
Oh I think even Goodhue would probably get the call up before Heem, but there's got to be hope in this Foster world.
Shit, and Ennor.
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@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I think Ethan will be starting. The boy is a monster.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I like Heem’s game but there is no way that Fozzie is dropping (his man) ALB. I think ALB has that 23 jersey sewn up.
It feels meme-ish here to go at ALB but he's genuinely out best midfielder
Problem is he's not the best 12 for our 10s
And I don't think he's the 13 for the guy they are picking at 12
And you know what? That's okay. That's actually good selection@mariner4life I agree and we need a fit and firing ALB to be any sort of chance. I see him playing significant minutes off the bench at both 2nd 5 (replace Jordie or Jordie moves to FB) and also at centre (Ioane to wing). We will need his defence late in games.
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@mariner4life I agree and we need a fit and firing ALB to be any sort of chance. I see him playing significant minutes off the bench at both 2nd 5 (replace Jordie or Jordie moves to FB) and also at centre (Ioane to wing). We will need his defence late in games.
@ACT-Crusader Dallas Macleod played pretty well tonight while Levi Aumua was a real handful playing for MP in Canberra tonight.
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@mariner4life I agree and we need a fit and firing ALB to be any sort of chance. I see him playing significant minutes off the bench at both 2nd 5 (replace Jordie or Jordie moves to FB) and also at centre (Ioane to wing). We will need his defence late in games.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@mariner4life I agree and we need a fit and firing ALB to be any sort of chance. I see him playing significant minutes off the bench at both 2nd 5 (replace Jordie or Jordie moves to FB) and also at centre (Ioane to wing). We will need his defence late in games.
I don't know.... ALB is a starter or bust for me. Historically the "maverick" in jersey 23 worked better for us. young Beaudy, young McKenzie, SBW, etc
Look at SA, IRE and FRA . Their centres seem to all play 80 minutes or close to it.
You don't see Ringrose or Lukanhyo Am getting subbed.
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Early doors but interested to hear which players are seen as the World Cup bolters;
For mine so far, Shaun Stevenson is a standout on current form and his achievements last year.
@The-Docter said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Early doors but interested to hear which players are seen as the World Cup bolters;
For mine so far, Shaun Stevenson is a standout on current form and his achievements last year.
Never mind bolter. He should be in the starting 15.
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@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I think Ethan will be starting. The boy is a monster.
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth already suggested that in the game thread! Very rarely has a bad involvement, great line runner and strong in the tackle on both sides of the ball. Perfect bench man like Blackadder, as well as first into the centres to cover Jordie/Rieko.
I think Ethan will be starting. The boy is a monster.
I think Fozzie will (rightly or wrongly) Ruben Thorn him in a quest to get all three of him Cane and Savea on the pitch. And an injury to the other two guarantees him a slot.
He is perpetual motion, has no regard for his body by the way he goes into contact and has a McCaw esque farmer boy mullet. Whats not to like.
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Stevenson might make it, if injuries strike. Can't see anyone else bolting in.
That would imply we were going to change things. Try something new. When was the last time we did that?
I know the new assistants have made a big difference, but we're just doing the same things we have been for eight years, only a bit better now.
We haven't dropped a starting player for poor form since when? A few like Sowakula failed to lock a spot, but the old-timers pretty much have to die.
I'd love to be proved wrong, and have a squad full of new energy and new tactics.
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Our top loose forward combo is Paps, Savea and Blackadder. I pray they see the light
