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It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.

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    any AB success in 2024 down to Wayne Smith and Wayne Smith only

    100% nailed on rolled gold fact

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      Hopefully this appointment makes Foster think - "I'll show these c-unts"

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      • Windows97W Windows97

        Unfortunately I feel that that NZR hasn't really set Razor up for success.

        A lot of criticism of the appointment of Fozzie was that the process was predetermined before it begun hence we "didn't get the right man for the job".

        NZR has made it very easy for the exact same criticism to be thrown at Razor (in fact I guarantee it if a losing streak comes along).

        Hopefully he wont be in that predicament as he's simply a better coach but oh, how the media will turn...

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        @Windows97 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

        Unfortunately I feel that that NZR hasn't really set Razor up for success.

        A lot of criticism of the appointment of Fozzie was that the process was predetermined before it begun hence we "didn't get the right man for the job".

        NZR has made it very easy for the exact same criticism to be thrown at Razor (in fact I guarantee it if a losing streak comes along).

        Hopefully he wont be in that predicament as he's simply a better coach but oh, how the media will turn...

        Big difference between the two men’s record as head coaches, be hard to pull that card here.

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          @mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

          Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?

          The German soccer team do this sort of thing regularly.

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          @sparky said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

          @mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

          Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?

          The German soccer team do this sort of thing regularly.

          The Scandinavian countries as well. The current coach of the Norwegian national team was actually supposed to have taken the position years back but Cologne poached him while he was waiting (compensation was paid to the Norwegian federation). He then got sacked by Cologne after like 5 months. The equivalent would be some cashed-up French team poaching Razor during the next 12 months.

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            so no Holland then...?

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/131568269/ill-put-it-to-bed-now-hurricanes-coach-responds-to-all-blacks-speculation

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            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

              so no Holland then...?

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/131568269/ill-put-it-to-bed-now-hurricanes-coach-responds-to-all-blacks-speculation

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              @taniwharugby I truly hope that nothing about assistant coaches leaks to the media. All attention should now go to the RWC. Let the clickbait media wait. I'm sick of all the nonsense speculation.

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              • StargazerS Stargazer

                @taniwharugby I truly hope that nothing about assistant coaches leaks to the media. All attention should now go to the RWC. Let the clickbait media wait. I'm sick of all the nonsense speculation.

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                #227

                @Stargazer I expect it will mostly die off in a few weeks or so, but in the meantime there will of course be plenty of speculation.

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                • StargazerS Stargazer

                  @taniwharugby I truly hope that nothing about assistant coaches leaks to the media. All attention should now go to the RWC. Let the clickbait media wait. I'm sick of all the nonsense speculation.

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                  @Stargazer said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                  @taniwharugby I truly hope that nothing about assistant coaches leaks to the media. All attention should now go to the RWC. Let the clickbait media wait. I'm sick of all the nonsense speculation.

                  i was kind of hoping they would be announced along with razor, all done and dusted

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                  • StargazerS Stargazer

                    @taniwharugby I truly hope that nothing about assistant coaches leaks to the media. All attention should now go to the RWC. Let the clickbait media wait. I'm sick of all the nonsense speculation.

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                    @Stargazer said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                    I truly hope that nothing about assistant coaches leaks to the media. All attention should now go to the RWC. Let the clickbait media wait. I'm sick of all the nonsense speculation.

                    Ha that’s not going happen

                    The assistants are likely to impact SR teams. Those SR coaches need to be replaced, maybe from NZ coaches who are overseas. Lots of negotiations for leaks to happen.
                    There’s going to be plenty for the media to speculate about in the coaching merry-go-round.

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                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                      @taniwharugby I truly hope that nothing about assistant coaches leaks to the media. All attention should now go to the RWC. Let the clickbait media wait. I'm sick of all the nonsense speculation.

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                      @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

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                        @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

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                        @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                        @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                        Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

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                          @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                          Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

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                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                          Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

                          Hansen is an attack / game strategy guy now, correct? Will he go back to defence or stay there?

                          So, we need a defence coach and maybe a specific backs / attack coach?

                          I'd like a skills coach similar to Mic the kick again.

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                            @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                            Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

                            Hansen is an attack / game strategy guy now, correct? Will he go back to defence or stay there?

                            So, we need a defence coach and maybe a specific backs / attack coach?

                            I'd like a skills coach similar to Mic the kick again.

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                            @gt12 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                            Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

                            Hansen is an attack / game strategy guy now, correct? Will he go back to defence or stay there?

                            So, we need a defence coach and maybe a specific backs / attack coach?

                            I'd like a skills coach similar to Mic the kick again.

                            Hansen I think will stay with attack/Game strategy.

                            Razor may take over the defence he started out with Canterbury as a defence coach that was his specialty.

                            Looks to me like a backs coach and depending on Razor a defence coach.

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                              @gt12 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                              Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

                              Hansen is an attack / game strategy guy now, correct? Will he go back to defence or stay there?

                              So, we need a defence coach and maybe a specific backs / attack coach?

                              I'd like a skills coach similar to Mic the kick again.

                              Hansen I think will stay with attack/Game strategy.

                              Razor may take over the defence he started out with Canterbury as a defence coach that was his specialty.

                              Looks to me like a backs coach and depending on Razor a defence coach.

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                              @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @gt12 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                              Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

                              Hansen is an attack / game strategy guy now, correct? Will he go back to defence or stay there?

                              So, we need a defence coach and maybe a specific backs / attack coach?

                              I'd like a skills coach similar to Mic the kick again.

                              Hansen I think will stay with attack/Game strategy.

                              Razor may take over the defence he started out with Canterbury as a defence coach that was his specialty.

                              Looks to me like a backs coach and depending on Razor a defence coach.

                              That would give Leon the best chance, Shirley?

                              He could gut the Saders and bring Ellison for defense as well I guess. Any chance he could bring in a northern hemisphere person? Any out of box picks like a Jono Gibbes (he’s out of a job right now if I recall)?

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                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @gt12 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                                Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

                                Hansen is an attack / game strategy guy now, correct? Will he go back to defence or stay there?

                                So, we need a defence coach and maybe a specific backs / attack coach?

                                I'd like a skills coach similar to Mic the kick again.

                                Hansen I think will stay with attack/Game strategy.

                                Razor may take over the defence he started out with Canterbury as a defence coach that was his specialty.

                                Looks to me like a backs coach and depending on Razor a defence coach.

                                That would give Leon the best chance, Shirley?

                                He could gut the Saders and bring Ellison for defense as well I guess. Any chance he could bring in a northern hemisphere person? Any out of box picks like a Jono Gibbes (he’s out of a job right now if I recall)?

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                                @gt12 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @gt12 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Stargazer it's well known who razor will take Scott Hansen and 2 more

                                Yep you can lock in Scott Hansen and Jason Ryan.

                                Hansen is an attack / game strategy guy now, correct? Will he go back to defence or stay there?

                                So, we need a defence coach and maybe a specific backs / attack coach?

                                I'd like a skills coach similar to Mic the kick again.

                                Hansen I think will stay with attack/Game strategy.

                                Razor may take over the defence he started out with Canterbury as a defence coach that was his specialty.

                                Looks to me like a backs coach and depending on Razor a defence coach.

                                That would give Leon the best chance, Shirley?

                                He could gut the Saders and bring Ellison for defense as well I guess. Any chance he could bring in a northern hemisphere person? Any out of box picks like a Jono Gibbes (he’s out of a job right now if I recall)?

                                Yeah I think it would be a possibility,Razor will think outside the box we may see a NH person attached to the group.
                                I would throw out the names of Vern Cotter,Ronan O’Gara,Andy Goodman as all a chance

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                                  If he wants to think outside the box for a defence coach look to a former RL player. Someone like Ruben Wiki.

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                                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                    If he wants to think outside the box for a defence coach look to a former RL player. Someone like Ruben Wiki.

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                                    @Bovidae said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    If he wants to think outside the box for a defence coach look to a former RL player. Someone like Ruben Wiki.

                                    RL defence coaches are so far in the box that that is the opposite of innovation

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                                      Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.

                                      Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.

                                      Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?

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                                        What about Chris Boyd? His appointment with the Highlanders was for one year only.

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                                          Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.

                                          Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.

                                          Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?

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                                          @Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.

                                          Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.

                                          Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?

                                          I doubt Ryan would be so short-sighted but if true that would be a shame, the forwards noticeably improved when he joined the AB coaches.

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