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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
When you see something like like, you wonder how there is any argument about it.
The thing about this whole issue now is that there is so much “factual” stuff out there, from both sides of the argument that just does not bear any scrutiny and there is seemingly no accountability for any of this. No wonder a serious and balanced discussion appears unobtainable.
The problem is distinguishing between a serious person with gender disphoria and a piss taker.
And a piss taker is not likely to have anything other than bad intentions. I get the argument that it's unfair to throw genuine trans in, but the ability to distinguish is as grey as it could be.
I don't have any time for the trans category. Just opens up another category for men to win olympic golds when they aren't good enough to win in the mens category. I kind of take the tough shit approach, which is harsh, but I see little option.
The dedication is takes to be top top top of these fields is like nothing else. I struggle to see how you can be a professional athlete & be / have gone through transition. Which lets face it, is little more than a whole bunch of drugs (since when have drugs, of any kind, been good for sports) and a couple of hours under the knife.
As I've said plenty of times before, the worst part of this whole thing is that it's the activists, not the actual trans community, causing all this shit.
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@MajorRage great post and 100% agree, and when comes to sport the 'tough shit' approach is not even harsh! It's what the other 99.99% of the population have to put up with! Since when was competing at the top level a "right" ? People have really lost sight of what having rights even means. That's so far from a right it's not even funny, if you're a biological male and you aren't good enough to play at the top level against other men, tough shit, play at the lower levels like the rest of us. The solution is so simple it's absurd that there's even a discussion, let alone males actually dominating females occurring in front of us.
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@gt12 said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I think the problem is that there doesn’t seem to be any patience for the ‘movement’ to be discussed and integrated alongside other societal values. There are no places for those with more traditional values to express a fair view.
Personally, for example, I’m relatively happy for trans people to use female toilets - they are generally single use cubicles and I’m happy for those who want to live as women doing so. There are laws that can be used if there is intimidation or violence carried out by trans people against females.
On the other hand though, trans people shouldn’t be in female prisons. Equally, neither competing in female sports events. If there is sufficient numbers, let’s have trans sports classes and events (and wings in prisons). I’d be happy to celebrate the achievements of a trans person if they were competing against people in a similar boat (e.g., went through puberty, on hormone treatment).
The stuff about kids and being encouraged to transition is mad and should be discussed as such.
However, there aren’t many places where we can have real discussion about it without huge consequences. I wouldn’t dream of talking about it at work - I’d likely be putting my career in jeopardy.
The bathroom stuff is crazy though - I know someone that was going to AUT in Auckland a few years ago, and one day when she was going to the bathroom they were suddenly changed to "male", "disabled", and "all genders". No female bathroom, her only option was to use the all gender bathroom. Just bananas. Wanting female only spaces is not a big ask at all, and there has to be a high bar for someone born a male to be entering those spaces. Simply self-id'ing as a female is not even close to hitting that bar.
Otherwise agree with your post though, and I'm the same, couldn't openly discuss any of this at work for fear of the radicals in HR getting wind of it.
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I say open it up. Women are enabling this BS so let them deal with the consequences.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I say open it up. Women are enabling this BS so let them deal with the consequences.
I don't know of a single female athlete who advocates for their fair participation to be ruined. Nor can I imagine there's a woman in a gaol who advocates for a male rapist to suddenly avail himself of a captive audience.
The few women that are trying to be inclusive don't believe it will impact them at all.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I say open it up. Women are enabling this BS so let them deal with the consequences.
It’s mostly young women and mostly overducated childless foolish ones at that. Women with a few years in the real world and experience dealing with the occasional creep our sex serves up to them aren’t supporting this .
I see Shaleel Lal got young NZer of the year for services to misogyny and narcissism. Ffs .
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Good on that man! Shows the stupidity for what it is.
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Shit, I’m a shoe in for a medal if I change sexes and compete.
Where’s my razor ?
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Good on that man! Shows the stupidity for what it is.
Absolute crack-up eh?
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@gt12 said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Jesus. You’d hope they’ve been charged. I assume not of course.
There is zero excuse for him not to charged. That is plain as day assault on an elderly woman.
Needs to be named, shamed & humiliated before having the full law thrown at him.
It will be interesting to see how much the movement embraces / distances itself from him over the next few days.
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@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@gt12 said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Jesus. You’d hope they’ve been charged. I assume not of course.
There is zero excuse for him not to charged. That is plain as day assault on an elderly woman.
Needs to be named, shamed & humiliated before having the full law thrown at him.
It will be interesting to see how much the movement embraces / distances itself from him over the next few days.
@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@gt12 said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Jesus. You’d hope they’ve been charged. I assume not of course.
There is zero excuse for him not to charged. That is plain as day assault on an elderly woman.
Needs to be named, shamed & humiliated before having the full law thrown at him.
It will be interesting to see how much the movement embraces / distances itself from him over the next few days.
The thing is damning evidence of this thuggishness has been out there since Saturday.
And ... ?
... crickets ...
Remember, this was a victory for love and unicorns shitting rainbows
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An enormous amount of money was raised by gay rights and civil liberties (same funding) groups in the 80s, 90s, and 00s until gay marriage was legalised. Good for them. But those groups needed a new mission or had to disband billions of dollars of money. So, trans rights for everyone was their new move.
So 0.1% of the population is the new "soul of America", and that is exported to everywhere else.
A friend is a plastic surgeon at one of the top university hospitals in California, he has had to refer people to Child Services, because they are so crazy about cutting out 8yo kids breast buds etc. There is so much crazy stuff going now for pre-pubescent children. No serious medical professors want to be involved with the trans shit, so it is dominated by partisans.
Somehow it is now the dominant issue, and if you even question anything you are making them unsafe, and you are actually trying to kill them?
I want to get off this train.
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@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@gt12 said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Jesus. You’d hope they’ve been charged. I assume not of course.
There is zero excuse for him not to charged. That is plain as day assault on an elderly woman.
Needs to be named, shamed & humiliated before having the full law thrown at him.
It will be interesting to see how much the movement embraces / distances itself from him over the next few days.
There were plenty of trans rights activists asking for more information about the attack before the full clip came out . They said they needed more context, as if there is any context that can justify that.
As for punishment, the guy I work with was punch in the face in 2021 in a similar manner, .He had to have a plate put in his eye socket and he was off work for months due to the nausea and effects on his vision. It ended up costing him $1000s and contributed to the end of his relationship. The guy that punched him was instructed to pay him $1000 in reparations which 2 years on he hasn't seen a cent of.
To their credit the main left wing blogs here , The standard and the daily blog have not supported the violence. Mostly because they seem to be an older crowd who don't buy into the " your words are violence so I can counter your words with actual violence " nonsense todays extremely online lefties do.
The spinoff on the other hand calls the violence "joyfull and life affirming".
An alternative view of the ‘angry’ protest crowd
The 'chaotic', 'ugly' scenes at the protest were closer to joyful and celebratory.
Todayfm host Tova O'Brein called it a celebration of love our rainbow community . Todayfm shut down on thursday, that sucks for everyone but her that works there.
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There is so much crazy stuff going now for pre-pubescent children. No serious medical professors want to be involved with the trans shit, so it is dominated by partisans.
Just started reading "Time to Think" by Hannah Barnes which exposes the malpractice which went on at the now-closed NHS Tavistock Gender Clinic in London.
As if what went on wasn't bad enough - double mastectomies & kids being prescribed unapproved & virtually untrialled puberty blockers after a single 40 minute consultation - the book was rejected by 22 publishers on the basis that it was "too controversial" and "would be difficult to get it past junior members of staff."
The whole thing is like a slow motion train-crash.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
malpractice which went on at the now-closed NHS Tavistock Gender Clinic in London.
Some of the stuff was genuinely horrible. A big step back is really needed.
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@Tim said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
malpractice which went on at the now-closed NHS Tavistock Gender Clinic in London.
Some of the stuff was genuinely horrible. A big step back is really needed.
Paediatric Nurse tells me it was known what was happening there for years but critics either shouted down or threatened with being labelled as transphobic and disciplined. More chance of being disciplined for using the wrong pronouns than malpractice in the NHS, apparently.
Why this shit is allowed to cause these harms is beyond me.
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