All Blacks 2023
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@No-Quarter i think that's the hardest thing for people to understand, being great at super rugby doesn't mean theyre be great at international, the true greats lift their game in the black jersey...but lots just show they were already playing at the top of their game
Akira ?
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@No-Quarter i think that's the hardest thing for people to understand, being great at super rugby doesn't mean theyre be great at international, the true greats lift their game in the black jersey...but lots just show they were already playing at the top of their game
Akira ?
We know you're just trolling here, no Cantab would ever admit to Akira being great at Super level.
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Interesting looking back on the TSF MOTM voting in recent years:
2022
33 Savea
28 Taukeiaho
19 Papali'i
17 R Ioane
13 Whitelock
13 S Barrett
11 Retallick
10 Smith
8 J Barrett
7 Lomax
6 Clarke
5 de Groot
4 A Ioane
4 Sotutu
4 Jordan
3 Telea
3 Reece
3 Bower
3 Cane
2 Perenara
2 Tupaea
1 RTS
1 Taylor
2021
18 Jordie Barrett
18 Akira Ioane
15 Dalton Papali'i
14 Will Jordan
13 Dane Coles
12 Rieko Ioane
12 Sam Whitelock
12 Aaron Smith
12 Luke Jacobson
10 Samisoni Taukeiaho
10 David Havili
10 Quinn Tupaea
10 Ethan Blackadder
8 Beauden Barrett
8 Ardie Savea
8 Brodie Retallick
7 Finlay Christie
5 Codie Taylor
5 Damian McKenzie
4 Sevu Reece
4 Brad Weber
4 Richie Mo'unga
3 Hoskins Sotutu
2 George Bridge
1 Scott Barrett
1 TJ Perenara
1 George BowerIt's harder to find the tally for 2020
But it is interesting to see where the 10's have been rated. BB with some moderate votes in 2021.
Neither 10 even featuring last year! So they never made the top 5 of any TSF vote
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To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
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Interesting looking back on the TSF MOTM voting in recent years:
2022
33 Savea
28 Taukeiaho
19 Papali'i
17 R Ioane
13 Whitelock
13 S Barrett
11 Retallick
10 Smith
8 J Barrett
7 Lomax
6 Clarke
5 de Groot
4 A Ioane
4 Sotutu
4 Jordan
3 Telea
3 Reece
3 Bower
3 Cane
2 Perenara
2 Tupaea
1 RTS
1 Taylor
2021
18 Jordie Barrett
18 Akira Ioane
15 Dalton Papali'i
14 Will Jordan
13 Dane Coles
12 Rieko Ioane
12 Sam Whitelock
12 Aaron Smith
12 Luke Jacobson
10 Samisoni Taukeiaho
10 David Havili
10 Quinn Tupaea
10 Ethan Blackadder
8 Beauden Barrett
8 Ardie Savea
8 Brodie Retallick
7 Finlay Christie
5 Codie Taylor
5 Damian McKenzie
4 Sevu Reece
4 Brad Weber
4 Richie Mo'unga
3 Hoskins Sotutu
2 George Bridge
1 Scott Barrett
1 TJ Perenara
1 George BowerIt's harder to find the tally for 2020
But it is interesting to see where the 10's have been rated. BB with some moderate votes in 2021.
Neither 10 even featuring last year! So they never made the top 5 of any TSF vote
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
Interesting looking back on the TSF MOTM voting in recent years:
2022
33 Savea
28 Taukeiaho
19 Papali'i
17 R Ioane
13 Whitelock
13 S Barrett
11 Retallick
10 Smith
8 J Barrett
7 Lomax
6 Clarke
5 de Groot
4 A Ioane
4 Sotutu
4 Jordan
3 Telea
3 Reece
3 Bower
3 Cane
2 Perenara
2 Tupaea
1 RTS
1 Taylor
2021
18 Jordie Barrett
18 Akira Ioane
15 Dalton Papali'i
14 Will Jordan
13 Dane Coles
12 Rieko Ioane
12 Sam Whitelock
12 Aaron Smith
12 Luke Jacobson
10 Samisoni Taukeiaho
10 David Havili
10 Quinn Tupaea
10 Ethan Blackadder
8 Beauden Barrett
8 Ardie Savea
8 Brodie Retallick
7 Finlay Christie
5 Codie Taylor
5 Damian McKenzie
4 Sevu Reece
4 Brad Weber
4 Richie Mo'unga
3 Hoskins Sotutu
2 George Bridge
1 Scott Barrett
1 TJ Perenara
1 George BowerIt's harder to find the tally for 2020
But it is interesting to see where the 10's have been rated. BB with some moderate votes in 2021.
Neither 10 even featuring last year! So they never made the top 5 of any TSF vote
That's quite telling for such a critical position
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To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
At the moment I don't think Akira, Harmon, MMT, Jacobson would be high up the list options.
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To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
Yep looks like he trying to stay injury free for his 2024 off shore contract.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
If they can not achieve that, why are they being paid to be AB coach.
Because no AB coach can sit down - before taking the job on - and 100% predict or control injuries, the quality of the players available to him for his chosen game plan, nor the quality and ability of the opposition to come up with a better game plan, perhaps?
That is why you create live depth charts right down to your u/16s, to understand what your depth is to sustain the game plan you develop, its basic coaching strategy,and wether you have the depth for tweaks you need when variables come along.
Hard to explain to some one who is not involved in the coaching world and makes a living out of it.
But I will leave it there as it something coaches understand@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
That is why you create live depth charts right down to your u/16s, to understand what your depth is to sustain the game plan you develop, its basic coaching strategy,and wether you have the depth for tweaks you need when variables come along.
Hard to explain to some one who is not involved in the coaching world and makes a living out of it.
But I will leave it there as it something coaches understandWell said, my fellow paid coach! It's amazing how some people just don't understand the basics of coaching, such as creating and maintaining a simple spreadsheet. It takes a professional to make a spreadsheet that truly captures the depth and potential of each player. Only a coach who makes a living out of the game knows how to make a spreadsheet that really sings. It's just another aspect of coaching that sets us apart from the amateurs.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
Unfortunately that doesn't seem to matter with Frizell, he made the ABs from the Highlanders bench and was whisked back in asap after being a fuckwit. He clearly has the Foster nudes.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
Unfortunately that doesn't seem to matter with Frizell, he made the ABs from the Highlanders bench and was whisked back in asap after being a fuckwit. He clearly has the Foster nudes.
@Nepia sadly true
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
That is why you create live depth charts right down to your u/16s, to understand what your depth is to sustain the game plan you develop, its basic coaching strategy,and wether you have the depth for tweaks you need when variables come along.
Hard to explain to some one who is not involved in the coaching world and makes a living out of it.
But I will leave it there as it something coaches understandWell said, my fellow paid coach! It's amazing how some people just don't understand the basics of coaching, such as creating and maintaining a simple spreadsheet. It takes a professional to make a spreadsheet that truly captures the depth and potential of each player. Only a coach who makes a living out of the game knows how to make a spreadsheet that really sings. It's just another aspect of coaching that sets us apart from the amateurs.
@TSF-Bot said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
That is why you create live depth charts right down to your u/16s, to understand what your depth is to sustain the game plan you develop, its basic coaching strategy,and wether you have the depth for tweaks you need when variables come along.
Hard to explain to some one who is not involved in the coaching world and makes a living out of it.
But I will leave it there as it something coaches understandWell said, my fellow paid coach! It's amazing how some people just don't understand the basics of coaching, such as creating and maintaining a simple spreadsheet. It takes a professional to make a spreadsheet that truly captures the depth and potential of each player. Only a coach who makes a living out of the game knows how to make a spreadsheet that really sings. It's just another aspect of coaching that sets us apart from the amateurs.
Then you would understand the word Nuffy then.
And the word Contextomy as you seems to like doing that as to seem clever. -
No doubt @Chris-B is over-egging Mo'unga, probably to counter my negativity towards him, the truth probably lies somewhere in between. At the moment I have him alongside someone like Adam Thomson, a super star at Super level, but a lightweight at test level.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
No doubt @Chris-B is over-egging Mo'unga, probably to counter my negativity towards him, the truth probably lies somewhere in between. At the moment I have him alongside someone like Adam Thomson, a super star at Super level, but a lightweight at test level.
The relentless negativity of the whole fern.
I do mean what I (and Reason) say about Richie being the finest Super rugby player of all time.
And that I wouldn't swap him for Handre Pollard. Jesus - look at some of the depths Handre's career has plumbed - his teams usually lose to fucking Australia.
If he was an All Black he would be the losing-est All Black of all time. -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
No doubt @Chris-B is over-egging Mo'unga, probably to counter my negativity towards him, the truth probably lies somewhere in between. At the moment I have him alongside someone like Adam Thomson, a super star at Super level, but a lightweight at test level.
The relentless negativity of the whole fern.
I do mean what I (and Reason) say about Richie being the finest Super rugby player of all time.
And that I wouldn't swap him for Handre Pollard. Jesus - look at some of the depths Handre's career has plumbed - his teams usually lose to fucking Australia.
If he was an All Black he would be the losing-est All Black of all time.@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I do mean what I (and Reason) say about Richie being the finest Super rugby player of all time.
- Agreeing with Reason?
- Finest Super player of all time? Sounds like its own thread debate.
- Relentless negativity of the Fern? Thanks!
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@Tim his comments re the captain are odd...
Foster said he wanted to keep the identity of his captain under his hat at this stage, but admitted that the All Blacks were already “pretty clear” about who they wanted.
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@Tim his comments re the captain are odd...
Foster said he wanted to keep the identity of his captain under his hat at this stage, but admitted that the All Blacks were already “pretty clear” about who they wanted.
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@Tim his comments re the captain are odd...
Foster said he wanted to keep the identity of his captain under his hat at this stage, but admitted that the All Blacks were already “pretty clear” about who they wanted.
@taniwharugby If Foster is quoted correctly, that article is almost an endorsement of Cane as captain. He didn't say it, but it's pretty obvious.
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@taniwharugby If Foster is quoted correctly, that article is almost an endorsement of Cane as captain. He didn't say it, but it's pretty obvious.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@taniwharugby If Foster is quoted correctly, that article is almost an endorsement of Cane as captain. He didn't say it, but it's pretty obvious.
I wouldn't expect any less. He's loyal, at times to a fault. And he hitched his wagon to Cane from the start. The only thing that stops Sam leading us into the test season and RWC is his health
