Eden Park
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Is it 2002 and I've lost a couple of decades?
I'll eat my hat if there's ever a waterfront stadium in Auckland.
Do you like eating hats? I grant you it seems a logistic, geographic, and environmental nightmare but that makes it far more likely for the politically appointed.
@nostrildamus Ain't going to happen, it's just wishful thinking.
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The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
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The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
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@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
@Machpants said in Eden Park:
@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
Which is what this upgrade is designed to fix. Matching stands on the sides then the ends.
It's a good stadium, comically easy to get to, pretty user friendly IMO. Short walk after parking for free, or a train straight to it or you can walk easily from the top of Queen Street.
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@Machpants said in Eden Park:
@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
Which is what this upgrade is designed to fix. Matching stands on the sides then the ends.
It's a good stadium, comically easy to get to, pretty user friendly IMO. Short walk after parking for free, or a train straight to it or you can walk easily from the top of Queen Street.
@Kirwan I understand that this is the 'fix'. But comically easy to get to is the cake tin, Eden Park is average on a full crowd. I am not anti any of these proposals, love to see an improved EP or an awesome new one. I just can't see any happening in the current economic environment
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@Kirwan I understand that this is the 'fix'. But comically easy to get to is the cake tin, Eden Park is average on a full crowd. I am not anti any of these proposals, love to see an improved EP or an awesome new one. I just can't see any happening in the current economic environment
@Machpants said in Eden Park:
@Kirwan I understand that this is the 'fix'. But comically easy to get to is the cake tin, Eden Park is average on a full crowd. I am not anti any of these proposals, love to see an improved EP or an awesome new one. I just can't see any happening in the current economic environment
Yeah, disagree. It's easy to get to Eden Park. And the atmosphere is great.
2018 NPC Final, huge storm, crowd was having a ball, super loud party atmosphere. Can list off plenty of other examples.
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i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
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i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
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@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
Me too, the Carlaw Park option ticked the location boxes, just needed to rip up a little bit of the domain to do it. This way they are using essentially dead land right next to Auckland's premier indoor entertainment venue. But sounds like the councillors didn't want to support Goff, and they were balls deep with the EP trust
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
Me too, the Carlaw Park option ticked the location boxes, just needed to rip up a little bit of the domain to do it. This way they are using essentially dead land right next to Auckland's premier indoor entertainment venue. But sounds like the councillors didn't want to support Goff, and they were balls deep with the EP trust
@canefan i liked the idea of it being an existing ground too, bit of history etc, my company has their office in where carlaw park was....weird little area
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
Why not eat and drink in Kingsland or Mt Eden? They have great options. Have done the journey between Queen St and Eden Park a few times too and to Ponsonby Rd. All much better than the cbd options from Vector in my view
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The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
@No-Quarter said in Eden Park:
The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
The problem is Eden Park has terrible crowds and is difficult to get to (although the CRL and any future light rail down Sandringham Rd will improve that situation). I argue the crowds would vastly improve if the stadium is centrally located at a site with probably the best location transport-wise in the entire country (Quay Park) and literally a stone's throw from the CBD with all the restaurants and bars imaginable - Parnell as well. Improved crowds make more money for the tenants at the stadium, including the rugby unions. It doesn't even have to be paid for by public money. The waterfront proposals can be fully or mostly privately funded with a little bit of brain-power and a little less sectarian interests.
The problem is Mike Lee and his Eden Park fanatics remain on Council.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
Why not eat and drink in Kingsland or Mt Eden? They have great options. Have done the journey between Queen St and Eden Park a few times too and to Ponsonby Rd. All much better than the cbd options from Vector in my view
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
Why not eat and drink in Kingsland or Mt Eden? They have great options. Have done the journey between Queen St and Eden Park a few times too and to Ponsonby Rd. All much better than the cbd options from Vector in my view
both pretty small areas for +60k people to go too, its also things like hotels and stuff for visiting fans. im not saying there arent options...there are just lots of stadiums around the world that do these things better, even big ones around the world that arent in a central location....but have hectares of parking around them
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@No-Quarter said in Eden Park:
The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
The problem is Eden Park has terrible crowds and is difficult to get to (although the CRL and any future light rail down Sandringham Rd will improve that situation). I argue the crowds would vastly improve if the stadium is centrally located at a site with probably the best location transport-wise in the entire country (Quay Park) and literally a stone's throw from the CBD with all the restaurants and bars imaginable - Parnell as well. Improved crowds make more money for the tenants at the stadium, including the rugby unions. It doesn't even have to be paid for by public money. The waterfront proposals can be fully or mostly privately funded with a little bit of brain-power and a little less sectarian interests.
The problem is Mike Lee and his Eden Park fanatics remain on Council.
@Auckman absolute missed opportunity back in 2006
If I could sit down with Mike Lee who was the chairman of the ARC at the time , I would tell him how bad does that decision you made back then look right now..? -
another thing i dont hear mentioned much but the surveyor in me cant ignore it...at a guess i think you could get 300-350 freehold lots (more if we were talking medium to high density units), how much would that raise given its such an expensive area to live? $500k a lot? thats over $150M towards the coffers...and if you were looking at a stadium that at least partially spanned the rail track and so didn't need to be purchased....
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The waterfront stadium spokesman has explained their updated thinking.
Summary:
- Context: new mayor in town who wants to move the port off the waterfront within a decade
- Basically same idea as before but with Eden Park Trust Board moving to the waterfront & essentially owning the waterfront stadium
- $9 billion cost all up (including selling off Eden Park land for housing) to be raised privately
- International developer likely to win tender as nobody in NZ has this kind of money
- Enough money left over ($120 million) to build a purpose-built cricket stadium somewhere in Auckland. No room for cricket at the waterfront.
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@No-Quarter said in Eden Park:
The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
The problem is Eden Park has terrible crowds and is difficult to get to (although the CRL and any future light rail down Sandringham Rd will improve that situation). I argue the crowds would vastly improve if the stadium is centrally located at a site with probably the best location transport-wise in the entire country (Quay Park) and literally a stone's throw from the CBD with all the restaurants and bars imaginable - Parnell as well. Improved crowds make more money for the tenants at the stadium, including the rugby unions. It doesn't even have to be paid for by public money. The waterfront proposals can be fully or mostly privately funded with a little bit of brain-power and a little less sectarian interests.
The problem is Mike Lee and his Eden Park fanatics remain on Council.
@Auckman where is EP difficult to get to from?
I’ve been to countless sell outs and either drive and walk for 20 minutes or go to a local (to me) bar grab a feed and a few drinks and jump on one of an endless stream of free buses that take me stray to the ground
There’s plenty wrong with EP but imo the access issues are massively over stated
Twickenham. There’s an asshole of a place to get to. Or Wembley for that matter
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@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
@Machpants again not defending EP but stadiums don’t have to be a uniform design
Fulhams Craven Cottage is a ‘jumbled mess’ but is still consistently* voted one of the best football grounds in Europe.
Despite some rank poor facilities
- by consistently I mean I’ve seen at least three polls that have it in top half dozen
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