Eden Park
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i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
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@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
Me too, the Carlaw Park option ticked the location boxes, just needed to rip up a little bit of the domain to do it. This way they are using essentially dead land right next to Auckland's premier indoor entertainment venue. But sounds like the councillors didn't want to support Goff, and they were balls deep with the EP trust
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
@canefan yeah, for all the things we might want, i think the RWC was the time to decide where they were going to commit...and they chose EP, i would be very surprised if a new stadium go up
I actually liked the carlaw park idea, would have meant carving a small section of the domain but not far from vector arena, next to stanley park, Parnell station just over the back and right at the end of the freeway, a lot of the same benefits of the idea over the tracks what ever its called
Me too, the Carlaw Park option ticked the location boxes, just needed to rip up a little bit of the domain to do it. This way they are using essentially dead land right next to Auckland's premier indoor entertainment venue. But sounds like the councillors didn't want to support Goff, and they were balls deep with the EP trust
@canefan i liked the idea of it being an existing ground too, bit of history etc, my company has their office in where carlaw park was....weird little area
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
Why not eat and drink in Kingsland or Mt Eden? They have great options. Have done the journey between Queen St and Eden Park a few times too and to Ponsonby Rd. All much better than the cbd options from Vector in my view
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The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
@No-Quarter said in Eden Park:
The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
The problem is Eden Park has terrible crowds and is difficult to get to (although the CRL and any future light rail down Sandringham Rd will improve that situation). I argue the crowds would vastly improve if the stadium is centrally located at a site with probably the best location transport-wise in the entire country (Quay Park) and literally a stone's throw from the CBD with all the restaurants and bars imaginable - Parnell as well. Improved crowds make more money for the tenants at the stadium, including the rugby unions. It doesn't even have to be paid for by public money. The waterfront proposals can be fully or mostly privately funded with a little bit of brain-power and a little less sectarian interests.
The problem is Mike Lee and his Eden Park fanatics remain on Council.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
Why not eat and drink in Kingsland or Mt Eden? They have great options. Have done the journey between Queen St and Eden Park a few times too and to Ponsonby Rd. All much better than the cbd options from Vector in my view
@Kiwiwomble said in Eden Park:
i have to falling into its not the best location camp, compared to other big stadiums, MCG/AAMI, Caketin, cardiff...those are great, actual dedicated large pedestrian paths back to the closest CBD or at least far enough away from the stadium to disperse the crowds a bit, with eden park you walk out onto residential streets....
The AAMI, MCG, Melbourne Park precinct is brilliant. Just a shame the Auckland council of the day missed a massive trick pre-RWC2011 and failed to build at the waterfront. Bloody politicians, letting politics get in the way of a real legacy project
I have had many great nights at EP. But it is in the wrong place. I rarely ever, even pre-kids, walked from EP all the way to town for a drink and a feed after the game. Definitely never walked into town from a concert at Mt Smart. And EP will never get to have lots of events because of the militant residents association. But the walk into town from Spark is much easier
Why not eat and drink in Kingsland or Mt Eden? They have great options. Have done the journey between Queen St and Eden Park a few times too and to Ponsonby Rd. All much better than the cbd options from Vector in my view
both pretty small areas for +60k people to go too, its also things like hotels and stuff for visiting fans. im not saying there arent options...there are just lots of stadiums around the world that do these things better, even big ones around the world that arent in a central location....but have hectares of parking around them
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@No-Quarter said in Eden Park:
The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
The problem is Eden Park has terrible crowds and is difficult to get to (although the CRL and any future light rail down Sandringham Rd will improve that situation). I argue the crowds would vastly improve if the stadium is centrally located at a site with probably the best location transport-wise in the entire country (Quay Park) and literally a stone's throw from the CBD with all the restaurants and bars imaginable - Parnell as well. Improved crowds make more money for the tenants at the stadium, including the rugby unions. It doesn't even have to be paid for by public money. The waterfront proposals can be fully or mostly privately funded with a little bit of brain-power and a little less sectarian interests.
The problem is Mike Lee and his Eden Park fanatics remain on Council.
@Auckman absolute missed opportunity back in 2006
If I could sit down with Mike Lee who was the chairman of the ARC at the time , I would tell him how bad does that decision you made back then look right now..? -
another thing i dont hear mentioned much but the surveyor in me cant ignore it...at a guess i think you could get 300-350 freehold lots (more if we were talking medium to high density units), how much would that raise given its such an expensive area to live? $500k a lot? thats over $150M towards the coffers...and if you were looking at a stadium that at least partially spanned the rail track and so didn't need to be purchased....
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The waterfront stadium spokesman has explained their updated thinking.
Summary:
- Context: new mayor in town who wants to move the port off the waterfront within a decade
- Basically same idea as before but with Eden Park Trust Board moving to the waterfront & essentially owning the waterfront stadium
- $9 billion cost all up (including selling off Eden Park land for housing) to be raised privately
- International developer likely to win tender as nobody in NZ has this kind of money
- Enough money left over ($120 million) to build a purpose-built cricket stadium somewhere in Auckland. No room for cricket at the waterfront.
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@No-Quarter said in Eden Park:
The chance to relocate the main stadium in Auckland was missed before the RWC, and instead they upgraded Eden Park. Turning around and deciding to build one on the waterfront now would be pretty crazy.
I do like the idea of a slightly more central stadium, but at the same time, Eden Park is a fantastic facility, so it feels like they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
The problem is Eden Park has terrible crowds and is difficult to get to (although the CRL and any future light rail down Sandringham Rd will improve that situation). I argue the crowds would vastly improve if the stadium is centrally located at a site with probably the best location transport-wise in the entire country (Quay Park) and literally a stone's throw from the CBD with all the restaurants and bars imaginable - Parnell as well. Improved crowds make more money for the tenants at the stadium, including the rugby unions. It doesn't even have to be paid for by public money. The waterfront proposals can be fully or mostly privately funded with a little bit of brain-power and a little less sectarian interests.
The problem is Mike Lee and his Eden Park fanatics remain on Council.
@Auckman where is EP difficult to get to from?
I’ve been to countless sell outs and either drive and walk for 20 minutes or go to a local (to me) bar grab a feed and a few drinks and jump on one of an endless stream of free buses that take me stray to the ground
There’s plenty wrong with EP but imo the access issues are massively over stated
Twickenham. There’s an asshole of a place to get to. Or Wembley for that matter
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@No-Quarter Eden Park is not a fantastic facility at all, it is a jumbled mess. It's our biggest, sure, but it is a hodge podge of bits. Not that I don't enjoy it there but there is work to be done in making it navigatable and user friendly
@Machpants again not defending EP but stadiums don’t have to be a uniform design
Fulhams Craven Cottage is a ‘jumbled mess’ but is still consistently* voted one of the best football grounds in Europe.
Despite some rank poor facilities
- by consistently I mean I’ve seen at least three polls that have it in top half dozen
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If a new stadium is used for concerts and rugby/league/football IMHO it makes more sense than EP which will never be allowed to have lots of concerts, and Mt Smart which is a nice shaped ground with no limit on concerts, but in a bad location
which will never be allowed to have lots of concerts
Part of the reason they've been allowed concerts recently was the changes to the eastern stand. The larger screen also added a structure decrease the noise leakage
Stage one of the new four stage plan is to build larger eastern and western stands. This will significantly change the amount of sound leaking out
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@Auckman where is EP difficult to get to from?
I’ve been to countless sell outs and either drive and walk for 20 minutes or go to a local (to me) bar grab a feed and a few drinks and jump on one of an endless stream of free buses that take me stray to the ground
There’s plenty wrong with EP but imo the access issues are massively over stated
Twickenham. There’s an asshole of a place to get to. Or Wembley for that matter
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One thing I’ll say about that waterfront “sunken” stadium proposal is that these steps leading into the harbour are gold. It would be a great lunch spot. CBD workers would be swarming all over this public space every day. Also, a great place to host waka ama/sailing regattas and triathlons. The crowds would be great.
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@dogmeat North Shore / Pakuranga but anywhere where a car is required. Parking is a big hassle and if coming from those areas on public transport, well forget about it.
@dogmeat North Shore / Pakuranga but anywhere where a car is required. Parking is a big hassle and if coming from those areas on public transport, well forget about it.
Have you ever been to a match there?? Never had a problem parking near Eden Park when driving from Tauranga. Had plenty of problems when going to Vector Arena or Stanley St though.
Amazing to see below sea level plans with our supposed tsunami and sea rise issues....
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@dogmeat North Shore / Pakuranga but anywhere where a car is required. Parking is a big hassle and if coming from those areas on public transport, well forget about it.
Have you ever been to a match there?? Never had a problem parking near Eden Park when driving from Tauranga. Had plenty of problems when going to Vector Arena or Stanley St though.
Amazing to see below sea level plans with our supposed tsunami and sea rise issues....
@ARHS - Plenty in the past 20 years. Always a big walk from some side street at least 2km from the ground unless you get there hours early in one of those school parking lots. The longest walk was 5km away to St Lukes where the charter buses were parked. Hence why I switched to taking the train but it was easier as I was near a rail station at those times.
Not sure if you realise this but most of downtown Auckland is reclaimed from the sea. They’ve been doing it since the 19th century. Reclaiming more land for a stadium isn’t a big deal in my humble opinion.
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Try Morningside or the Kingsland Avenues or top of Dominion Rd depending on which gate your entry is.
Open question from a longtime greenie: Is the planned sunken stadium fully enclosed? If so how will the turf be managed? If not then how do you deal with flooding from torrential rainfall?
I am against the idea in principle because I think Auckland and Tauranga need to be cleaned up water-wise and less built near the shoreline. I can only assume that by being at street level there will be huge amounts of rubbish and runoff going into the harbour. Eden Park conversely has great drainage which serves the nearby area well.
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@dogmeat North Shore / Pakuranga but anywhere where a car is required. Parking is a big hassle and if coming from those areas on public transport, well forget about it.
