All Blacks 2023
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
if kicking to a plan
well, purely from my perspective, the last couple of seasons, that would be the problem as we didnt seem to have one, or if we did, it didnt seem like we were playing the same one....
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
if kicking to a plan
well, purely from my perspective, the last couple of seasons, that would be the problem as we didnt seem to have one, or if we did, it didnt seem like we were playing the same one....
I agree that our kicking game hasn't been effective but without knowing what any plan is it is hard to judge the reasons. Again like cricket you can't see if a bowlers plans are thwarted or there's poor execution and usually don't know how the trap was set unless someone smart points in out in game analysis.
Way too often our instinct seems to be to put up a 50/50 and hope to get it back. That's not a plan but is what shits me.
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Foster has made noises that outside back is one spot he feels a form player crack the team.
My sense is that there will be a few players given chances and may the best man(men) win. Similar to 2015 where NMS, Piutau, Naholo etc were all given opportunities
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With the emergence of Shaun Stevenson, Will Jordan and Zarn Sullivan as 15 options, BB's starting position has to be in mortal danger.
Then again Foster might give him 4 games to "play himself into form" because class is permanent of something like that and then say the other options don't have experience for the World Cup games.
For once in your life, be bold Fozzie.
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@nostrildamus Fainga'anuku is the form (left) winger. Was excellent again v Chiefs. He's been really good under the high ball, too. I'd keep Rieko in the midfield.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus Fainga'anuku is the form (left) winger. Was excellent again v Chiefs. He's been really good under the high ball, too. I'd keep Rieko in the midfield.
thanks, forgot about him I'd keep Ioane at 13 too. Aumua isn't young but I don't even know if he is considering ABs let alone how they'd build a good combo in time!
Edit: well maybe Aumua is keen on the ABs
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/levi-aumua-knocking-at-the-door-for-all-blacks-selection/
Parsons: "From my understanding, Levi made it very clear that he wanted to be up for selection for this team and obviously the All Blacks as well so he’s obviously motivated by that, he’s performing extremely well, (he) was player of the year for Moana Pasifika.” -
With the emergence of Shaun Stevenson, Will Jordan and Zarn Sullivan as 15 options, BB's starting position has to be in mortal danger.
Then again Foster might give him 4 games to "play himself into form" because class is permanent of something like that and then say the other options don't have experience for the World Cup games.
For once in your life, be bold Fozzie.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2023:
With the emergence of Shaun Stevenson, Will Jordan and Zarn Sullivan as 15 options, BB's starting position has to be in mortal danger.
Then again Foster might give him 4 games to "play himself into form" because class is permanent of something like that and then say the other options don't have experience for the World Cup games.
For once in your life, be bold Fozzie.
I think that’s got to be one of THE stupidest sporting cliches ever. The trick for any top sportsman is knowing when to go out on top. There’s untold examples of guys going on too long and risking tarnishing their legacies ( boxers probably the most obvious examples )
Then again this AB team has quite a few guys running that risk. Losing that vital split second of pace is devastating at that level. Alongside BB the likes of Cane, Coles and Taylor spring to mind. Younger but more injury prone guys like Goodhue and ALB do too.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
Can you imagine if RM and DH did that in an AB test? Fozzie would get vilified.
That’s because he doesn’t know how to use the Saders players properly though. Nothing to do with them being shit.
A decent coach would have got rid of that rubbish@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
Can you imagine if RM and DH did that in an AB test? Fozzie would get vilified.
That’s because he doesn’t know how to use the Saders players properly though. Nothing to do with them being shit.
A decent coach would have got rid of that rubbishAccording to your words, since it was Richie Mo'unga who executed this kick, then his coach is not decent. That's a shame because he is the future coach of the All Blacks after all.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
Can you imagine if RM and DH did that in an AB test? Fozzie would get vilified.
That’s because he doesn’t know how to use the Saders players properly though. Nothing to do with them being shit.
A decent coach would have got rid of that rubbishAccording to your words, since it was Richie Mo'unga who executed this kick, then his coach is not decent. That's a shame because he is the future coach of the All Blacks after all.
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
Can you imagine if RM and DH did that in an AB test? Fozzie would get vilified.
That’s because he doesn’t know how to use the Saders players properly though. Nothing to do with them being shit.
A decent coach would have got rid of that rubbishAccording to your words, since it was Richie Mo'unga who executed this kick, then his coach is not decent. That's a shame because he is the future coach of the All Blacks after all.
I’m glad someone understood the joke.
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Smith
DMAC
Rieko ?? Not 13? Another wing?
Jordie
Aumua/Ioane
Stevenson/Narawa
Jordan/SullivanI'd be happy with that. Maybe Narawa or Sullivan off the bench.
5.5% chance of seeing the above at RWC though. -
I am sure everyone who played this game on the Fern would have been told if you kick it is to retain possession or kick into space not to hand unless it is contestable.
These days it seems just random kicking, can’t handle pressure so kick it no matter where it ends up or can’t break the defence/ or clearing hoof it down field and hope it lands in a good place.
Most teams have kicking coaches and attack and defence coaches what are they instilling in the players when it comes to kicking.
Where are the Carters,Mehrtens Fox’s etc should they not be used in some capacity as tactical kicking coaches.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
I am sure everyone who played this game on the Fern would have been told if you kick it is to retain possession or kick into space not to hand unless it is contestable.
These days it seems just random kicking, can’t handle pressure so kick it no matter where it ends up or can’t break the defence/ or clearing hoof it down field and hope it lands in a good place.
Most teams have kicking coaches and attack and defence coaches what are they instilling in the players when it comes to kicking.
Where are the Carters,Mehrtens Fox’s etc should they not be used in some capacity as tactical kicking coaches.That's my problem with Barrett.
He is one of my favourite players ever, but he plays Rugby like a player in a playstation game.
"ah sure ill run it from here sideways", "ah sure ill do a grubber in my own 22".
He seems to always want to do something on this play, as opposed to moving the chess pieces around with a view to doing something in 2 phases time. It's now now now.
It doesn't look or feel controlled from my barstool.
Mo'unga aint much better.
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Play the "best" (incumbent) 15 men every week to win the Rugby Championship and have "confidence" going to the RWC.
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Experiment to give the Stevensons, Roigards. Narawas of the world an audition?
What will we do?
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Play the "best" (incumbent) 15 men every week to win the Rugby Championship and have "confidence" going to the RWC.
or
Experiment to give the Stevensons, Roigards. Narawas of the world an audition?
What will we do?
Clearly the latter I would hope. We will be the team everyone fears with multiple attacking threats from the new talent. Then if we are good at spotting the gaps and taking advantage we can prosper. We need to build some confidence in the players creating those threats.
Just compare Narawa with Clarke. Much easier to defend a player sliding into the tackle and trying to bump through. But when a player can chip and regather or swerve around or reverse pass accurately how much harder is that to defend? And if a fullback can kick long and reasonably accurately as well as counterattack, then it restricts the opposition options.
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Are the All Black rest protocols still in place? Was surprised to see both De Groot and Mounga playing this weekend. Tuungafasi and Taukeiaho too.
Or were the goalposts shifted by Leon? Perofeta and Sotutu seemed to play long streaks previously. But I could be wrong and they have been in place consistently all along? -
Are the All Black rest protocols still in place? Was surprised to see both De Groot and Mounga playing this weekend. Tuungafasi and Taukeiaho too.
Or were the goalposts shifted by Leon? Perofeta and Sotutu seemed to play long streaks previously. But I could be wrong and they have been in place consistently all along? -
Are the All Black rest protocols still in place? Was surprised to see both De Groot and Mounga playing this weekend. Tuungafasi and Taukeiaho too.
Or were the goalposts shifted by Leon? Perofeta and Sotutu seemed to play long streaks previously. But I could be wrong and they have been in place consistently all along?@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
Are the All Black rest protocols still in place?
McMillan's comments after beating the Crusaders:
“It gives us a little bit of breathing space, and breathing space counts for a lot of things. We’re going to have to give our All Blacks another break between now and quarterfinal time, what games you choose to do that becomes a little bit easier.”
I assumed the ABs needed another rest week, but maybe that is McMillan's decision about the Chiefs only.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
Are the All Black rest protocols still in place?
McMillan's comments after beating the Crusaders:
“It gives us a little bit of breathing space, and breathing space counts for a lot of things. We’re going to have to give our All Blacks another break between now and quarterfinal time, what games you choose to do that becomes a little bit easier.”
I assumed the ABs needed another rest week, but maybe that is McMillan's decision about the Chiefs only.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
Are the All Black rest protocols still in place?
McMillan's comments after beating the Crusaders:
“It gives us a little bit of breathing space, and breathing space counts for a lot of things. We’re going to have to give our All Blacks another break between now and quarterfinal time, what games you choose to do that becomes a little bit easier.”
I assumed the ABs needed another rest week, but maybe that is McMillan's decision about the Chiefs only.
That was what prompted me to ask. @Stargazer that explains it then. McMillan may be doing it voluntarily.
Was thinking ahead to next week. Taukeiaho and Vaai obvious ones to have a break and maybe Dyer rests if Moli can play.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
Are the All Black rest protocols still in place?
McMillan's comments after beating the Crusaders:
“It gives us a little bit of breathing space, and breathing space counts for a lot of things. We’re going to have to give our All Blacks another break between now and quarterfinal time, what games you choose to do that becomes a little bit easier.”
I assumed the ABs needed another rest week, but maybe that is McMillan's decision about the Chiefs only.
That was what prompted me to ask. @Stargazer that explains it then. McMillan may be doing it voluntarily.
Was thinking ahead to next week. Taukeiaho and Vaai obvious ones to have a break and maybe Dyer rests if Moli can play.
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
Was thinking ahead to next week. Taukeiaho and Vaai obvious ones to have a break and maybe Dyer rests if Moli can play.
My guess is that Vaa'i wouldn't have played last night if Retallick was fit and they would swap for the Reds game. Boshier's injury might complicate the plan for Cane to rest. I expect all fit Taranaki Chiefs to be in the 23 to play the Reds.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Play the "best" (incumbent) 15 men every week to win the Rugby Championship and have "confidence" going to the RWC.
or
Experiment to give the Stevensons, Roigards. Narawas of the world an audition?
What will we do?
Clearly the latter I would hope. We will be the team everyone fears with multiple attacking threats from the new talent. Then if we are good at spotting the gaps and taking advantage we can prosper. We need to build some confidence in the players creating those threats.
Just compare Narawa with Clarke. Much easier to defend a player sliding into the tackle and trying to bump through. But when a player can chip and regather or swerve around or reverse pass accurately how much harder is that to defend? And if a fullback can kick long and reasonably accurately as well as counterattack, then it restricts the opposition options.
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
ust compare Narawa with Clarke. Much easier to defend a player sliding into the tackle and trying to bump through. But when a player can chip and regather or swerve around or reverse pass accurately how much harder is that to defend? And if a fullback can kick long and reasonably accurately as well as counterattack, then it restricts the opposition options.
I really like Narawa, but Clarke is much more than a bash merchant.
He can step at pace, actually is quick ,and is good under the high ball.
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@Nepia said in Highlanders v Chiefs:
@Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Chiefs:
@Stargazer that was a critisim of James Lowes as well ,i do wonder however if all the other tools SS brings to the table outweigh any defensive issues
Poor defence didn't hold back Reece from being selected for the ABs.
Reece is the best winger defensively in the Crusaders & All Blacks, Jordan on the other hand is usually a liability, he has cost his team/s numerous times in crucial moments on defense at SR and test level, it appears that people only look at his contributions on attack, however strength of defense and collisions is what determines matches at international level which is why Reece & Narawa are better options at 14 than Jordan for the All Blacks IMO.
,My All Black back 3 would be Fainga'anuku, Stevenson, Narawa. Big, physically imposing & defensively solid.
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@Nepia said in Highlanders v Chiefs:
@Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Chiefs:
@Stargazer that was a critisim of James Lowes as well ,i do wonder however if all the other tools SS brings to the table outweigh any defensive issues
Poor defence didn't hold back Reece from being selected for the ABs.
Reece is the best winger defensively in the Crusaders & All Blacks, Jordan on the other hand is usually a liability, he has cost his team/s numerous times in crucial moments on defense at SR and test level, it appears that people only look at his contributions on attack, however strength of defense and collisions is what determines matches at international level which is why Reece & Narawa are better options at 14 than Jordan for the All Blacks IMO.
,My All Black back 3 would be Fainga'anuku, Stevenson, Narawa. Big, physically imposing & defensively solid.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2023:
Reece is the best winger defensively in the Crusaders & All Blacks
Reece had very poor defence when first making the ABs. Don't pretend otherwise.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2023:
Reece is the best winger defensively in the Crusaders & All Blacks
Reece had very poor defence when first making the ABs. Don't pretend otherwise.
