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Best of all time?

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    A best ever bench players would be interesting.

    Not just the next best players but players who delivered off of the bench.

    Obviously this would be limited to the last 25 years or so.

    From NZ the likes of Beauden, Faumuina, Weepu come to mind.

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    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

      A best ever bench players would be interesting.

      Not just the next best players but players who delivered off of the bench.

      Obviously this would be limited to the last 25 years or so.

      From NZ the likes of Beauden, Faumuina, Weepu come to mind.

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      @KiwiMurph said in Best of all time?:

      A best ever bench players would be interesting.

      Not just the next best players but players who delivered off of the bench.

      Obviously this would be limited to the last 25 years or so.

      From NZ the likes of Beauden, Faumuina, Weepu come to mind.

      Hi

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      • Chris B.C Chris B.

        @mariner4life said in Best of all time?:

        if i am honest, if i stuck mine out in the wider public it would get just as torn to shreds as it is packed with kiwis. packed

        You can argue that Ian McGeechan agrees with you. He's picked his best ever and it's packed with Kiwis - packed.

        https://www.ruck.co.uk/sir-ian-mcgeechan-picks-all-time-xv-includes-three-england-legends/

        Lomu, Kirwan, Carter, Zinzan, McCaw, Fitzpatrick.

        A few I'd swap - but, no duds in Ian's team - no Jaapies either. Can't say I remember much about Tom Smith.

        I'd pick Danie Gerber over Brian and look at Oz du Randt vs Leonard.

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        @Chris-B said in Best of all time?:

        Sir Ian McGeechan picks all-time XV - includes three England legends - Ruck

        That isn't a bad list and I really like the way he considered loosie and centre combos.
        Carter cancels Johnny out (have one or the other but I'd pick Carter as well), I wonder if Eales would be that rugged for the modern game, and I wonder if a French or Argentinian prop might get a look in. But not a horrible selection anywhere IMO.

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        • boobooB booboo

          @Crucial said in Best of all time?:

          @mariner4life said in Best of all time?:

          for full transparency

          Cullen
          Wilson
          Bunce
          Horan
          Lomu
          Carter
          VdVH
          Zinny
          Richie
          J Smith
          Matfield
          Johnson
          Brown
          Fitzy
          Os dR

          Challenge would be a team willing to play that one!

          First alternatives that spring to mind off the top of my head with no deep thought. All open to debate.

          1 and 11 don't leap out at me - need to have a think.

          Would give them a go though (until the two man advantage kicked in)

          Blanco
          Kirwan
          O'Driscoll
          Nonu
          ?
          Wilkinson
          Smith A
          Read
          Kaino
          Smith G
          Eales
          Jones AW
          Furlong
          Wood
          ?

          (Lack of Jaaps though :face_with_diagonal_mouth: )

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          @booboo Michael Jones at 7!

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          • Chris B.C Chris B.

            @booboo Michael Jones at 7!

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            @Chris-B said in Best of all time?:

            @booboo Michael Jones at 7!

            Oops

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              A best ever bench players would be interesting.

              Not just the next best players but players who delivered off of the bench.

              Obviously this would be limited to the last 25 years or so.

              From NZ the likes of Beauden, Faumuina, Weepu come to mind.

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              @KiwiMurph said in Best of all time?:

              A best ever bench players would be interesting.

              Not just the next best players but players who delivered off of the bench.

              Obviously this would be limited to the last 25 years or so.

              From NZ the likes of Beauden, Faumuina, Weepu come to mind.

              Kees Meeuws was one of the original bench impact players!

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              • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                @Steve said in Best of all time?:

                Christian Cullen is the GOAT fullback.

                Conrad 13, Read 8, Whitelock, Smith 9 won back to back world cups....

                smith didn't debut for the AB's till 2012.....

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                @Kiwiwomble said in Best of all time?:

                @Steve said in Best of all time?:

                Christian Cullen is the GOAT fullback.

                Conrad 13, Read 8, Whitelock, Smith 9 won back to back world cups....

                smith didn't debut for the AB's till 2012.....

                that is a good point well made sir.

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                • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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                  #172

                  Right, Captains: In no particular order and excluding anyone before the late '70;s

                  Graham Mourie, Fitzy, Ritchie, David Kirk.

                  Ritchie & Mourie for me. Both took teams which were in a bad place and brought to the very top,

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                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                    Right, Captains: In no particular order and excluding anyone before the late '70;s

                    Graham Mourie, Fitzy, Ritchie, David Kirk.

                    Ritchie & Mourie for me. Both took teams which were in a bad place and brought to the very top,

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                    @Victor-Meldrew DC.

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                      @Victor-Meldrew DC.

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                      @Bones said in Best of all time?:

                      @Victor-Meldrew DC.

                      ?

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                      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                        @Bones said in Best of all time?:

                        @Victor-Meldrew DC.

                        ?

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                        @Victor-Meldrew said in Best of all time?:

                        @Bones said in Best of all time?:

                        @Victor-Meldrew DC.

                        ?

                        Pretty sure he was a very successful captain

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                          Paul Henderson

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                          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                            Right, Captains: In no particular order and excluding anyone before the late '70;s

                            Graham Mourie, Fitzy, Ritchie, David Kirk.

                            Ritchie & Mourie for me. Both took teams which were in a bad place and brought to the very top,

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                            @Victor-Meldrew said in Best of all time?:

                            Right, Captains: In no particular order and excluding anyone before the late '70;s

                            Graham Mourie, Fitzy, Ritchie, David Kirk.

                            Ritchie & Mourie for me. Both took teams which were in a bad place and brought to the very top,

                            Buck?

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                            • boobooB booboo

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in Best of all time?:

                              Right, Captains: In no particular order and excluding anyone before the late '70;s

                              Graham Mourie, Fitzy, Ritchie, David Kirk.

                              Ritchie & Mourie for me. Both took teams which were in a bad place and brought to the very top,

                              Buck?

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                              @booboo said in Best of all time?:

                              Buck?

                              Took over a winning team and did well. Just think Mourie & Ritche proved they could lead thru adversity as well as thru the good times.

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                for full transparency

                                Cullen
                                Wilson
                                Bunce
                                Horan
                                Lomu
                                Carter
                                VdVH
                                Zinny
                                Richie
                                J Smith
                                Matfield
                                Johnson
                                Brown
                                Fitzy
                                Os dR

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                                @mariner4life Horan-Bunce that's a bit unfair against anyone

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                                • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                                  GOAT NZ
                                  Peak player not longevity

                                  Paekak Ex
                                  JK
                                  Lomu
                                  Bunce
                                  Smokin J
                                  Carter
                                  Smith
                                  ZZB
                                  Kaino
                                  McCaw
                                  Retallick
                                  Whitelock
                                  O Brown
                                  Coles
                                  McDowell

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                                  @BerniesCorner said in Best of all time?:

                                  GOAT NZ
                                  Peak player not longevity

                                  Paekak Ex
                                  JK
                                  Lomu
                                  Bunce
                                  Smokin J
                                  Carter
                                  Smith
                                  ZZB
                                  Kaino
                                  McCaw
                                  Retallick
                                  Whitelock
                                  O Brown
                                  Coles
                                  McDowell

                                  Joe Stanley never started once at 12 in his 27 tests, but sure...

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                                    #181

                                    Yep still makes my GOAT team

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                                    • SmudgeS Online
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                                      #182

                                      Looks like I'm putting Hayman in as my GOAT #8 then.

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                                        If you want to

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                                          booboo
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                                          Ardie at 12

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