All Blacks 2023
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I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Doesn’t mean it’s right but IMO that would be their thinking.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Doesn’t mean it’s right but IMO that would be their thinking.
I take your point but he shouldn't be competing with DMAC or Beauden in the first place. That has been the Allblacks issue for a few years now. Shoe horning all "the lads" into the team.
They should be fly halves and cover as full backs only. Im willing to give DMAC wiggle room in that regard but im not affording Beaudy the same courtesy.
The fullbacks should be Will Jordan and Stevenson. End of story. We have a big enough body of work now to know what's what.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Doesn’t mean it’s right but IMO that would be their thinking.
I take your point but he shouldn't be competing with DMAC or Beauden in the first place. That has been the Allblacks issue for a few years now. Shoe horning all "the lads" into the team.
They should be fly halves and cover as full backs only. Im willing to give DMAC wiggle room in that regard but im not affording Beaudy the same courtesy.
The fullbacks should be Will Jordan and Stevenson. End of story. We have a big enough body of work now to know what's what.
@Steve history tells us that fullback is not an easy position to crack in the ABs as a newbie. During the successful recent era even guys like Izzy and Bender had to serve apprenticeships either on the wing or as a substitute. And even with those two we saw a fair amount of interchanging. Then the Jordie experiments before settling.
I think they see Jordan as the future but perhaps they’re not ready to hand the keys over to him for the RWC. However with Jordie now the 2nd 5 especially so with Havili out, there is a clear choice on whether Jordan is their man.
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What I dont understand is how come Fletcher Newell is included when he has been out injured for most of the SRP campaign just how exactly is he supposed to get up to speed with fitness and form? While there are others who haven't even been considered due to injury.
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@Steve history tells us that fullback is not an easy position to crack in the ABs as a newbie. During the successful recent era even guys like Izzy and Bender had to serve apprenticeships either on the wing or as a substitute. And even with those two we saw a fair amount of interchanging. Then the Jordie experiments before settling.
I think they see Jordan as the future but perhaps they’re not ready to hand the keys over to him for the RWC. However with Jordie now the 2nd 5 especially so with Havili out, there is a clear choice on whether Jordan is their man.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve history tells us that fullback is not an easy position to crack in the ABs as a newbie. During the successful recent era even guys like Izzy and Bender had to serve apprenticeships either on the wing or as a substitute. And even with those two we saw a fair amount of interchanging. Then the Jordie experiments before settling.
I think they see Jordan as the future but perhaps they’re not ready to hand the keys over to him for the RWC. However with Jordie now the 2nd 5 especially so with Havili out, there is a clear choice on whether Jordan is their man.
I’m not so sure. In fact it is more than likely that all 3 of DMAC, Beaudy and Mo’unga will be in the 23.
Whatever about handing the keys to a newbie. Beauden Barrett hasn’t done enough to nail down the 15 shirt. He has done nothing in that jersey. NOTHING.
Think of the players who previously wore that shirt with distinction. Muliaina, Dagg, Cullen, Smith.
Beaudy isn’t putting in those sort of performances by a long stretch.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
Interesting! I see Zarn is the best kicker for the Blues! 100%! (It's quality not quantity as the bishop said to the actress)...
Not always
A 50% kicker who’s played 20 games that season is more valuable to the team than a 100% kicker who played four times
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
Not always
A 50% kicker who’s played 20 games that season is more valuable to the team than a 100% kicker who played four times
Not applicable here as he kicked once
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Doesn’t mean it’s right but IMO that would be their thinking.
I take your point but he shouldn't be competing with DMAC or Beauden in the first place. That has been the Allblacks issue for a few years now. Shoe horning all "the lads" into the team.
They should be fly halves and cover as full backs only. Im willing to give DMAC wiggle room in that regard but im not affording Beaudy the same courtesy.
The fullbacks should be Will Jordan and Stevenson. End of story. We have a big enough body of work now to know what's what.
@Steve 100% agreed. Shooter should be second on the depth chart at 15, end of story. We all want Jordan going 80 in every bledisloe and RWC game, sure. But if Will can’t play then it has to be Shooter. Jordie is now a 12 and the others are battling it out for 10. Keep it simple.
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@Steve 100% agreed. Shooter should be second on the depth chart at 15, end of story. We all want Jordan going 80 in every bledisloe and RWC game, sure. But if Will can’t play then it has to be Shooter. Jordie is now a 12 and the others are battling it out for 10. Keep it simple.
@game_film said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve 100% agreed. Shooter should be second on the depth chart at 15, end of story. We all want Jordan going 80 in every bledisloe and RWC game, sure. But if Will can’t play then it has to be Shooter. Jordie is now a 12 and the others are battling it out for 10. Keep it simple.
Agree wholeheartedly.
If we have a Beaudy/DMAC at 15 fandango it will be musical chairs again when we make subs.
We can't keep up that nonsense.
It has to stop.
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The fact Foster didn't receive responses from some of those omitted speaks volumes.
Plenty of fodder for books/podcasts/hit pieces a few years down the line.
I don't think he has run a harmonious camp over the years and certainly fails to inspire fans never mind his players.
The fact he even made it public that he didn't receive responses is bad form in and of itself.
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The fact Foster didn't receive responses from some of those omitted speaks volumes.
Plenty of fodder for books/podcasts/hit pieces a few years down the line.
I don't think he has run a harmonious camp over the years and certainly fails to inspire fans never mind his players.
The fact he even made it public that he didn't receive responses is bad form in and of itself.
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I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Doesn’t mean it’s right but IMO that would be their thinking.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Yeah, we just know that Beauden will start at fullback.
On Stevenson, he has actually played more on the left wing than the right wing for the Chiefs, as he did against the Brumbies.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2023:
Haven't heard any moaning about Sam Cane. That's a first.
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Last reply 40 minutes agoVERY lucky on form and function.
Also if Sam Whitelock is playing he's the Moral Captain, doesn't matter what Foster thinks.
@Canerbry said in All Blacks 2023:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2023:
Haven't heard any moaning about Sam Cane. That's a first.
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Last reply 40 minutes agoVERY lucky on form and function.
Also if Sam Whitelock is playing he's the Moral Captain, doesn't matter what Foster thinks.
Lucky?? Do you actually watch game?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Why is his fault if players don't ring back?? Says there maybe a problem with players'attitude and maybe another reason they not there?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Poor form, from presumably Hoskins as he was left out of NZ XV. Have to assume he was the one who fell out the squad at the weekend? Totally agree though, this is dirty laundry that didn't need public airing, because what if it isn't Hoskins or Akira? What if it was Brad Weber? Unfair speculation on all the players.
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The squad in general, all Fozzy bashing aside is one I'm fairly happy with. Perfectly happy with the forwards selections, and barring Weber, don't think there is anyone who can count themselves unlucky to miss out in the backs. Christie lucky to be there, and think the selection of McLeod is a bit premature, but I'm guessing they wanted an out and out 12, and they don't see that as Goodhue or Procter which is fair enough.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Why is his fault if players don't ring back?? Says there maybe a problem with players'attitude and maybe another reason they not there?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Why is his fault if players don't ring back?? Says there maybe a problem with players'attitude and maybe another reason they not there?
It’s not his fault.
But it should be kept in house.We shouldn’t be privy to it.
These lads have just lost out on a dream (in a World Cup year) whether we think they are shite players or not.
And when you look at what happened with Stephen Donald in 2011 he should know better than upsetting anyone in the fringes because a pound to a pinch of shit we may need one of them later on on the year.
