All Blacks 2023
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Doesn’t mean it’s right but IMO that would be their thinking.
I take your point but he shouldn't be competing with DMAC or Beauden in the first place. That has been the Allblacks issue for a few years now. Shoe horning all "the lads" into the team.
They should be fly halves and cover as full backs only. Im willing to give DMAC wiggle room in that regard but im not affording Beaudy the same courtesy.
The fullbacks should be Will Jordan and Stevenson. End of story. We have a big enough body of work now to know what's what.
@Steve 100% agreed. Shooter should be second on the depth chart at 15, end of story. We all want Jordan going 80 in every bledisloe and RWC game, sure. But if Will can’t play then it has to be Shooter. Jordie is now a 12 and the others are battling it out for 10. Keep it simple.
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@Steve 100% agreed. Shooter should be second on the depth chart at 15, end of story. We all want Jordan going 80 in every bledisloe and RWC game, sure. But if Will can’t play then it has to be Shooter. Jordie is now a 12 and the others are battling it out for 10. Keep it simple.
@game_film said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve 100% agreed. Shooter should be second on the depth chart at 15, end of story. We all want Jordan going 80 in every bledisloe and RWC game, sure. But if Will can’t play then it has to be Shooter. Jordie is now a 12 and the others are battling it out for 10. Keep it simple.
Agree wholeheartedly.
If we have a Beaudy/DMAC at 15 fandango it will be musical chairs again when we make subs.
We can't keep up that nonsense.
It has to stop.
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The fact Foster didn't receive responses from some of those omitted speaks volumes.
Plenty of fodder for books/podcasts/hit pieces a few years down the line.
I don't think he has run a harmonious camp over the years and certainly fails to inspire fans never mind his players.
The fact he even made it public that he didn't receive responses is bad form in and of itself.
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The fact Foster didn't receive responses from some of those omitted speaks volumes.
Plenty of fodder for books/podcasts/hit pieces a few years down the line.
I don't think he has run a harmonious camp over the years and certainly fails to inspire fans never mind his players.
The fact he even made it public that he didn't receive responses is bad form in and of itself.
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I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Doesn’t mean it’s right but IMO that would be their thinking.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Yeah, we just know that Beauden will start at fullback.
On Stevenson, he has actually played more on the left wing than the right wing for the Chiefs, as he did against the Brumbies.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2023:
Haven't heard any moaning about Sam Cane. That's a first.
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Last reply 40 minutes agoVERY lucky on form and function.
Also if Sam Whitelock is playing he's the Moral Captain, doesn't matter what Foster thinks.
@Canerbry said in All Blacks 2023:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2023:
Haven't heard any moaning about Sam Cane. That's a first.
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Last reply 40 minutes agoVERY lucky on form and function.
Also if Sam Whitelock is playing he's the Moral Captain, doesn't matter what Foster thinks.
Lucky?? Do you actually watch game?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Why is his fault if players don't ring back?? Says there maybe a problem with players'attitude and maybe another reason they not there?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Poor form, from presumably Hoskins as he was left out of NZ XV. Have to assume he was the one who fell out the squad at the weekend? Totally agree though, this is dirty laundry that didn't need public airing, because what if it isn't Hoskins or Akira? What if it was Brad Weber? Unfair speculation on all the players.
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The squad in general, all Fozzy bashing aside is one I'm fairly happy with. Perfectly happy with the forwards selections, and barring Weber, don't think there is anyone who can count themselves unlucky to miss out in the backs. Christie lucky to be there, and think the selection of McLeod is a bit premature, but I'm guessing they wanted an out and out 12, and they don't see that as Goodhue or Procter which is fair enough.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Why is his fault if players don't ring back?? Says there maybe a problem with players'attitude and maybe another reason they not there?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Why is his fault if players don't ring back?? Says there maybe a problem with players'attitude and maybe another reason they not there?
It’s not his fault.
But it should be kept in house.We shouldn’t be privy to it.
These lads have just lost out on a dream (in a World Cup year) whether we think they are shite players or not.
And when you look at what happened with Stephen Donald in 2011 he should know better than upsetting anyone in the fringes because a pound to a pinch of shit we may need one of them later on on the year.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:
Thought Dallas McLeod had been playing well. Big, fast lad with very good defense. Has showed 120% more than what RTS ever did when he got the call up anyway...
Stevenson has a chance so I hope he gets an opportunity. The only real gripe for me is Clarke makes it with all the glaring weaknesses in his game but Stevenson needs to be perfect (as someone previously mentioned).
Sotutu had a shocker in the semi and was pulled but I thought he had a really good season up to a few weeks or so ago. Feel for the lad.I'll have to give Mcleod a second look. I never had him down as big or fast.
He was never on my radar. Another faceless cantab indistinguishable from the other. Your Brett Camerons , your Fergus Burkes of the world.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:
Thought Dallas McLeod had been playing well. Big, fast lad with very good defense. Has showed 120% more than what RTS ever did when he got the call up anyway...
Stevenson has a chance so I hope he gets an opportunity. The only real gripe for me is Clarke makes it with all the glaring weaknesses in his game but Stevenson needs to be perfect (as someone previously mentioned).
Sotutu had a shocker in the semi and was pulled but I thought he had a really good season up to a few weeks or so ago. Feel for the lad.I'll have to give Mcleod a second look. I never had him down as big or fast.
He was never on my radar. Another faceless cantab indistinguishable from the other. Your Brett Camerons , your Fergus Burkes of the world.
I am still getting used to the idea of McLeod starting for the Crusaders (let alone getting picked in the ABs), so I have kept an eye on him after he played well earlier in the season in the midfield. He is not all that fast, not Goodhue slow but I wouldn't say speed is one of his strengths. Talking about strength, I think strength is his strength at the moment. Particularly on defence. He seems to win a lot of the contact when he is defending. He stops guys and pushes them back a fair bit. And he is strong ball in hand. I haven't seen enough of him playing well in the midfield to have an opinion about his decision making and passing skills.
I am surprised it has happened so soon, but for years McLeod was touted as a future All Black and this season is the first time I have noticed anything to back up that premise.
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These lads not included may have received a message shortly after taking a hammering on Friday night. Not sure what they could have done. Other than the cool hand sign emoji, perhaps?
Why partake in this old fashioned - assistant calls if you’re in, head coach calls if you’re out - nonsense? And instead have everyone find out the same time on TV - the Sunday after the super final. Then coach can call them a few days later and say ‘X,Y,Z… stay in shape, keep going’ especially with such an injury prone set of players on board in certain positions.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:
Thought Dallas McLeod had been playing well. Big, fast lad with very good defense. Has showed 120% more than what RTS ever did when he got the call up anyway...
Stevenson has a chance so I hope he gets an opportunity. The only real gripe for me is Clarke makes it with all the glaring weaknesses in his game but Stevenson needs to be perfect (as someone previously mentioned).
Sotutu had a shocker in the semi and was pulled but I thought he had a really good season up to a few weeks or so ago. Feel for the lad.I'll have to give Mcleod a second look. I never had him down as big or fast.
He was never on my radar. Another faceless cantab indistinguishable from the other. Your Brett Camerons , your Fergus Burkes of the world.
I am still getting used to the idea of McLeod starting for the Crusaders (let alone getting picked in the ABs), so I have kept an eye on him after he played well earlier in the season in the midfield. He is not all that fast, not Goodhue slow but I wouldn't say speed is one of his strengths. Talking about strength, I think strength is his strength at the moment. Particularly on defence. He seems to win a lot of the contact when he is defending. He stops guys and pushes them back a fair bit. And he is strong ball in hand. I haven't seen enough of him playing well in the midfield to have an opinion about his decision making and passing skills.
I am surprised it has happened so soon, but for years McLeod was touted as a future All Black and this season is the first time I have noticed anything to back up that premise.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2023:
Dallas McLeod
He was an 8??!
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These lads not included may have received a message shortly after taking a hammering on Friday night. Not sure what they could have done. Other than the cool hand sign emoji, perhaps?
Why partake in this old fashioned - assistant calls if you’re in, head coach calls if you’re out - nonsense? And instead have everyone find out the same time on TV - the Sunday after the super final. Then coach can call them a few days later and say ‘X,Y,Z… stay in shape, keep going’ especially with such an injury prone set of players on board in certain positions.
@game_film said in All Blacks 2023:
These lads not included may have received a message shortly after taking a hammering on Friday night. Not sure what they could have done. Other than the cool hand sign emoji, perhaps?
Why partake in this old fashioned - assistant calls if you’re in, head coach calls if you’re out - nonsense? And instead have everyone find out the same time on TV - the Sunday after the super final. Then coach can call them a few days later and say ‘X,Y,Z… stay in shape, keep going’ especially with such an injury prone set of players on board in certain positions.
Yeah and its the age of professional sport.
Show me a good loser and ill show you a loser.
These lads have grown up being told their shit doesn't stink from a young age.
Imagine telling Stevenson "yeah mate you're in as injury cover". Im sure he's sitting there thinking, "im fucking better than Caleb Clarke who has dined out on one big run against Australia during covid 3 years ago and who's defence is no better than mine". "and im outscoring him at a rate of 3 to one at this stage".
"cheers Fozzie"
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Id be well pissed if I was Stevenson.
Keep in mind he was initially omitted from the Allblacks XV side that played Ireland and the Barbarians last year and only got a gig late on due to injury.
He is really having to go the long way round to earn the black jersey.
There was talk of him upping sticks and going to NRL last year, lets hope Foster doesn't fully disenfranchise him before Razor gets the job.
