All Blacks 2023
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Dan54 how do you know it's just a missed call? How do you know that they even knew they were supposed to call him back?
Mate a missed call from the coach on weekend of team naming?? Ok.
It was definitely just a missed call? No VM or text message? Ok.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Yeah, we just know that Beauden will start at fullback.
On Stevenson, he has actually played more on the left wing than the right wing for the Chiefs, as he did against the Brumbies.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I can see why Stevenson misses out, it’s because he is competing with Jordan, DMac and Beauden for that fullback spot. And he’s behind Jordan and Telea for the right wing spot.
Yeah, we just know that Beauden will start at fullback.
On Stevenson, he has actually played more on the left wing than the right wing for the Chiefs, as he did against the Brumbies.
I don’t think they see SS as a left wing option though given the Clarke and Fainga’anuku selections.
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A relatively well-connected source indicated that Weber’s kicking game is thought to be his Achilles heel, which is more than plausible, although I happen to be of the school that would be quite happy for a halfback to barely kick at all.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
A relatively well-connected source indicated that Weber’s kicking game is thought to be his Achilles heel, which is more than plausible, although I happen to be of the school that would be quite happy for a halfback to barely kick at all.
Just as well kicking isn't an important skill for our fullbacks. Oh wait...
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones How does one reply to 'grow a pair'?
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Hasn’t been much chatter about it but it’s great to see Lord back in the AB squad. Kid has plenty of talent.
If Tuipoluto had been fit I wonder what would’ve happened with the selections. When Lord was originally selected for the ABs and got injured was that when Tuipoluto came back in?
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2023:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve what what? He contacted dropped players and they didn't get back to him?
Yep . Apparently so.
And then he went and mentioned it on TV.
So people will put 2+2 together and think the likes of Akira and Hoskins have dropped their lip.
He could be depending on those boys later in the year.
Bad management.
Great fodder for us and the media to talk about but another feather in his dunce management cap in my opinion.
Why is his fault if players don't ring back?? Says there maybe a problem with players'attitude and maybe another reason they not there?
Danny, Foster is a dick for publicly saying that and saying it hurt his little feelings.
He should give players some space when they have had news like this. They have had a World Cup dream ended, lost money and may now be thinking of uprooting their family to others parts of the world due to not being selected.
It’s tough on them and if that’s their way of dealing with it, so be it. What does Fozzie want? To be thanked by them?
He should know a little bit about how they feel when Razor was going through the process?
Did he keep a dignified slilence? No, he went crying to the media about it.
He is a farking hypocrite and a fraud
I think if they not answering phones etc, the only way to get message to them would be on TV?
Mate it's tough on anyone who doesn't get picked, you know what, if you want to get picked first thing you do is answer coachs' call and find out what you need to do to get in. Other wise f*** off and sulk in corner, you don't want it bad enough!
I sick of this moodlecoddling the poor dears, man up FFS!!!!Clearly if it was just a missed call on the weekend of selection, they would have called him back.
Forster mentions texts, leaving messages, which intimates that he gave them the news even if they didn’t speak.
Foster with his hurt feelings is the one that needs cuddling. The other guys were probably too busy with their agents to manage a call back to thank Foster.
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Hasn’t been much chatter about it but it’s great to see Lord back in the AB squad. Kid has plenty of talent.
If Tuipoluto had been fit I wonder what would’ve happened with the selections. When Lord was originally selected for the ABs and got injured was that when Tuipoluto came back in?
@ACT-Crusader yeah was happy to see that, but as some buzz killer pointed out about Finau, it's probably highly likely he won't see much, if any gametime. He looks to have bulked up well, yet still mobile and busy. As long as that hasn't caused him other issues that lead to him being injured all the time, he looks the goods.
Hope I'm wrong about Fozzie.
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@ACT-Crusader yeah was happy to see that, but as some buzz killer pointed out about Finau, it's probably highly likely he won't see much, if any gametime. He looks to have bulked up well, yet still mobile and busy. As long as that hasn't caused him other issues that lead to him being injured all the time, he looks the goods.
Hope I'm wrong about Fozzie.
@Bones that was me!
Because I am horribly pessimistic that the order at 6 is Barrett and then the lessor Frizzell
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@Bones that was me!
Because I am horribly pessimistic that the order at 6 is Barrett and then the lessor Frizzell
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@ACT-Crusader yeah was happy to see that, but as some buzz killer pointed out about Finau, it's probably highly likely he won't see much, if any gametime. He looks to have bulked up well, yet still mobile and busy. As long as that hasn't caused him other issues that lead to him being injured all the time, he looks the goods.
Hope I'm wrong about Fozzie.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader yeah was happy to see that, but as some buzz killer pointed out about Finau, it's probably highly likely he won't see much, if any gametime. He looks to have bulked up well, yet still mobile and busy. As long as that hasn't caused him other issues that lead to him being injured all the time, he looks the goods.
Hope I'm wrong about Fozzie.
I’m not so sure…Jason Ryan specifically name checked Finau when interviewed and said he stood up and did what they were looking for when under the pump against the Reds.
They did throw Newell and De Groot in to the bear pit of an away game in South Africa and here we are…
The fact that Hoskins and Akira got launched reinforces that they really weren’t happy with their style and are looking for a bit more perspiration rather than inspiration.
Head down arse up, strong shoulders.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Dan54 how do you know it's just a missed call? How do you know that they even knew they were supposed to call him back?
Mate a missed call from the coach on weekend of team naming?? Ok.
It was definitely just a missed call? No VM or text message? Ok.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Dan54 how do you know it's just a missed call? How do you know that they even knew they were supposed to call him back?
Mate a missed call from the coach on weekend of team naming?? Ok.
It was definitely just a missed call? No VM or text message? Ok.
Well I don't know, assumed a voicemail when they didn't answer, or how did they know they were out of team? DUH!
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Am I the only one to find Newell lucky ?
The guy has not played a single game this year and gets in. Jager would have been a better choice IMO.@cgrant said in All Blacks 2023:
Am I the only one to find Newell lucky ?
The guy has not played a single game this year and gets in. Jager would have been a better choice IMO.Same here. Cant fathom how Newell can get himself fit in time when he has been out for a while, and still manages to get an ABs callup despite being injured, while others were not considered due to injury. Why not give a fit Jager the call instead and slot someone else into the AB XV in Jager's place..
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Clearly if it was just a missed call on the weekend of selection, they would have called him back.
Forster mentions texts, leaving messages, which intimates that he gave them the news even if they didn’t speak.
Foster with his hurt feelings is the one that needs cuddling. The other guys were probably too busy with their agents to manage a call back to thank Foster.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2023:
Clearly if it was just a missed call on the weekend of selection, they would have called him back.
Forster mentions texts, leaving messages, which intimates that he gave them the news even if they didn’t speak.
Foster with his hurt feelings is the one that needs cuddling. The other guys were probably too busy with their agents to manage a call back to thank Foster.
Could be right Grubs, but if their first action was to ring agents, they obviously weren't hurt, and didn't really care , looking for nect opportunity?
I know you taking the piss, but hells teeth I would be ringing to see what I could do if I really wanted in. If they didn't really want in deep down, well they perhaps weren't loss. You know the players who impress me? Ones who ring coaches etc during season etc to see if there are things they need to work on etc.
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@ACT-Crusader yeah was happy to see that, but as some buzz killer pointed out about Finau, it's probably highly likely he won't see much, if any gametime. He looks to have bulked up well, yet still mobile and busy. As long as that hasn't caused him other issues that lead to him being injured all the time, he looks the goods.
Hope I'm wrong about Fozzie.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader yeah was happy to see that, but as some buzz killer pointed out about Finau, it's probably highly likely he won't see much, if any gametime. He looks to have bulked up well, yet still mobile and busy. As long as that hasn't caused him other issues that lead to him being injured all the time, he looks the goods.
Hope I'm wrong about Fozzie.
I was at New Plymouth at the game where Ryan said he really caught their eye, he was bloody good, and worked like hell off the ball. I still like he's such a good lineout target too. I still wonder what game he will get a lot of time in to push claims, but also think Jacobson will meybe get a bit of time at 6?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader yeah was happy to see that, but as some buzz killer pointed out about Finau, it's probably highly likely he won't see much, if any gametime. He looks to have bulked up well, yet still mobile and busy. As long as that hasn't caused him other issues that lead to him being injured all the time, he looks the goods.
Hope I'm wrong about Fozzie.
I’m not so sure…Jason Ryan specifically name checked Finau when interviewed and said he stood up and did what they were looking for when under the pump against the Reds.
They did throw Newell and De Groot in to the bear pit of an away game in South Africa and here we are…
The fact that Hoskins and Akira got launched reinforces that they really weren’t happy with their style and are looking for a bit more perspiration rather than inspiration.
Head down arse up, strong shoulders.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
The fact that Hoskins and Akira got launched reinforces that they really weren’t happy with their style and are looking for a bit more perspiration rather than inspiration.
Head down arse up, strong shoulders.
And that makes me happy if attitude and work rate are big pointers to how they selecting teams, as you say perhaps Akira and Hoskins are more highlight packge players than 80 min grunt men? One of reasons I such a fan of players like Sam Cane, Jacobson etc, they just never out of game, putting rock hard shoulders on, and importantly working their arse off to get to where they make a difference. They get off ground real quick after tacle etc, and put themselves in a poistion to still make a difference whether it making another tackle, of turning players into defence.
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@Bones that was me!
Because I am horribly pessimistic that the order at 6 is Barrett and then the lessor Frizzell
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones that was me!
Because I am horribly pessimistic that the order at 6 is Barrett and then the lessor Frizzell
Shannon's renting out his house?
Six loose forwards and five locks suggests to me that you're probably right. They clearly want their 6 to be a good lineout option and a "tight 6".
My guess - and it's just a guess - is they're hoping Blackadder gets fit and they'll plan take Barrett and Frizell as their 6s, Cane and Paps as 7s, Savea and Jacobson as 8s and Blackadder as their utility/bench man who can cover all three. Meanwhile, Ryan gets a good look at Finau - and just maybe he pushes out Frizell.
Possibility of Cullen Grace putting a bit of pressure on Jacobson's position might also be worth keeping an eye on.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones that was me!
Because I am horribly pessimistic that the order at 6 is Barrett and then the lessor Frizzell
Shannon's renting out his house?
Six loose forwards and five locks suggests to me that you're probably right. They clearly want their 6 to be a good lineout option and a "tight 6".
My guess - and it's just a guess - is they're hoping Blackadder gets fit and they'll plan take Barrett and Frizell as their 6s, Cane and Paps as 7s, Savea and Jacobson as 8s and Blackadder as their utility/bench man who can cover all three. Meanwhile, Ryan gets a good look at Finau - and just maybe he pushes out Frizell.
Possibility of Cullen Grace putting a bit of pressure on Jacobson's position might also be worth keeping an eye on.
@Chris-B the 5 locks selection will be about covering Whitelock as well.
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@Chris-B the 5 locks selection will be about covering Whitelock as well.
@ACT-Crusader Yeah - they'll need a Plan B at 6, because Scott is clearly our third lock - and there's a couple of oldish guys ahead of him.
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Am I the only one to find Newell lucky ?
The guy has not played a single game this year and gets in. Jager would have been a better choice IMO.@cgrant said in All Blacks 2023:
Am I the only one to find Newell lucky ?
The guy has not played a single game this year and gets in. Jager would have been a better choice IMO.They must have the inside deck on his injury.
Any young fella who can go to South Africa
and push the bomb squads heads up their own arses has credit in the bank.Such a specialist position they want him in around the squad for the year. I imagine his name is already in pen for the RWC.
Ryan has been working with him for years in Canterbury.
As an aside. The interview his father gave when his boy was selected is one of the most “hit you in the feels” things I’ve ever seen. I welled up watching it.
