Super Rugby 2024
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@antipodean Reading comprehension - Please point out where I have discussed a draft? Only changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules I've mentioned (hence the Mark Robinson interview that was posted earlier) I certainly wouldn't mind a draft either - anything that improves Super Rugby as a product (obviously...) should be explored, otherwise the people overseeing the comp aren't doing their job, oh wait they don't even have a dedicated CEO or board for SR - I rest my case.
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@antipodean Reading comprehension - Please point out where I have discussed a draft? Only changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules I've mentioned (hence the Mark Robinson interview that was posted earlier) I certainly wouldn't mind a draft either - anything that improves Super Rugby as a product (obviously...) should be explored, otherwise the people overseeing the comp aren't doing their job, oh wait they don't even have a dedicated CEO or board for SR - I rest my case.
The changes to eligibility rules being:
Robinson expect this and other ideas like a salary cap and a draft system will be considered with the establishment of the Super Rugby Commission - a new entity charged with overseeing and developing the competition.
Fuck knows what case you're resting on. A draft is daft as I've demonstrated. Eligibility is the same: No sensible AB coach is going to select players that have been ridden to death and coached poorly in AU. They're competing interests.
Long term the issue to resolving the SR competition is obvious and even RA acknowledges that they need to fix their pathways. Once they become competitive, the engagement and value increases, becoming a rugby perpetual motion machine.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@antipodean Reading comprehension - Please point out where I have discussed a draft? Only changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules I've mentioned (hence the Mark Robinson interview that was posted earlier) I certainly wouldn't mind a draft either - anything that improves Super Rugby as a product (obviously...) should be explored, otherwise the people overseeing the comp aren't doing their job, oh wait they don't even have a dedicated CEO or board for SR - I rest my case.
The changes to eligibility rules being:
Robinson expect this and other ideas like a salary cap and a draft system will be considered with the establishment of the Super Rugby Commission - a new entity charged with overseeing and developing the competition.
Fuck knows what case you're resting on. A draft is daft as I've demonstrated. Eligibility is the same: No sensible AB coach is going to select players that have been ridden to death and coached poorly in AU. They're competing interests.
Long term the issue to resolving the SR competition is obvious and even RA acknowledges that they need to fix their pathways. Once they become competitive, the engagement and value increases, becoming a rugby perpetual motion machine.
The interview with Mark Robinson at end of this appears like almost an IPL-franchise/draft model is being considered for Aus/NZ clubs. Obviously that would help Aus teams, but importantly it also helps NZ teams by generating revenue for the unions due to a stronger (therefore more marketable) competition.
The days when the domestic game's purpose was to feed the NT are over, the sooner unions realize that the better they can transition. The French were the first and there were growing pains yet look at them now, favourites for the RWC while boasting an unmatched domestic system.
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The interview with Mark Robinson at end of this appears like almost an IPL-franchise/draft model is being considered for Aus/NZ clubs. Obviously that would help Aus teams, but importantly it also helps NZ teams by generating revenue for the unions due to a stronger (therefore more marketable) competition.
The days when the domestic game's purpose was to feed the NT are over, the sooner unions realize that the better they can transition. The French were the first and there were growing pains yet look at them now, favourites for the RWC while boasting an unmatched domestic system.
@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
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@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
That's what people don't understand - the game is underpinned at the club level by wealthy benefactors. France, Ireland, England. NZ is lucky that the All Blacks are such a draw card. Aus makes kids subsidise the professional arm, not the other way like well run professional sporting competitions.
Once your benefactor grows tired of losing money or actually has no more money to give, you've got a problem.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
That's what people don't understand - the game is underpinned at the club level by wealthy benefactors. France, Ireland, England. NZ is lucky that the All Blacks are such a draw card. Aus makes kids subsidise the professional arm, not the other way like well run professional sporting competitions.
Once your benefactor grows tired of losing money or actually has no more money to give, you've got a problem.
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2024:
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
That's what people don't understand - the game is underpinned at the club level by wealthy benefactors. France, Ireland, England. NZ is lucky that the All Blacks are such a draw card. Aus makes kids subsidise the professional arm, not the other way like well run professional sporting competitions.
Once your benefactor grows tired of losing money or actually has no more money to give, you've got a problem.
c.f. Wasps, London Irish
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The IPL works on each franchise only being able to retain 4 players from the year before,
A draft in SR would need that extended to 23 to 26 retained players each year pretty hard to expect 90% of the players to move every year families etc must come into that equation. -
Open eligibility is the only viable way forward for South Pacific Rugby. But, the SR franchises have to be decoupled from the two governing bodies, they need to be independently, and preferably privately, run. SRP needs to be run as a professional league, not a glorified feeder competition for the AB's & Wallabies. It needs to run itself independent of NZR & RA. It needs to be a full season double round robin league, 22 rounds plus a final four. Obviously there would need to be dedicated international windows for the touring NH nations & TRC. The open sharing of players is vital as it will strengthen the Aussie clubs, which improves the overall standard of the league, but it also gives more NZ players exposure to professional rugby, which would add to their already incredible depth, plus it would improve the standard of Aussie players by playing alongside and being coached by NZ coaches. NZ would provide the playing depth, Aus would provide a much larger broadcast market. The league would have four timelines to schedule broadcasts. The league would in time generate enough revenue to pay players professionally, thereby reducing the financial burdens on the parent unions. Everybody wins.
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This is what I have across the board for 23/24. Keen to hear how correct this is/more info that can be added.
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This is what I have across the board for 23/24. Keen to hear how correct this is/more info that can be added.
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@KiwiMurph whaaaattt, come back to the Canes Matty. At 30 he’d easily compete for an AB centre spot, especially with the guys running around atm. He was the best defensive centre in NZ when he left, was quality on attack too.
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This is what I have across the board for 23/24. Keen to hear how correct this is/more info that can be added.
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This is what I have across the board for 23/24. Keen to hear how correct this is/more info that can be added.
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@frugby where did you find confirmation of Blackwell and Prinsep leaving?
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@Canes4life I was wondering the same thing and I follow things closely.
Bower the same not sure that is correct either
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Bower the same not sure that is correct either
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@Chris Yes, I haven't even seen rumours that he's leaving. It could be true, but then they've kept that really, really quiet. He's 31 years old though.
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31 not really old for a prop.
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I hear he is re signing but we will see.
