Super Rugby 2024
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@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
That's what people don't understand - the game is underpinned at the club level by wealthy benefactors. France, Ireland, England. NZ is lucky that the All Blacks are such a draw card. Aus makes kids subsidise the professional arm, not the other way like well run professional sporting competitions.
Once your benefactor grows tired of losing money or actually has no more money to give, you've got a problem.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
That's what people don't understand - the game is underpinned at the club level by wealthy benefactors. France, Ireland, England. NZ is lucky that the All Blacks are such a draw card. Aus makes kids subsidise the professional arm, not the other way like well run professional sporting competitions.
Once your benefactor grows tired of losing money or actually has no more money to give, you've got a problem.
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2024:
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat I can see the billionaires in NZ lining up
That's what people don't understand - the game is underpinned at the club level by wealthy benefactors. France, Ireland, England. NZ is lucky that the All Blacks are such a draw card. Aus makes kids subsidise the professional arm, not the other way like well run professional sporting competitions.
Once your benefactor grows tired of losing money or actually has no more money to give, you've got a problem.
c.f. Wasps, London Irish
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The IPL works on each franchise only being able to retain 4 players from the year before,
A draft in SR would need that extended to 23 to 26 retained players each year pretty hard to expect 90% of the players to move every year families etc must come into that equation. -
Open eligibility is the only viable way forward for South Pacific Rugby. But, the SR franchises have to be decoupled from the two governing bodies, they need to be independently, and preferably privately, run. SRP needs to be run as a professional league, not a glorified feeder competition for the AB's & Wallabies. It needs to run itself independent of NZR & RA. It needs to be a full season double round robin league, 22 rounds plus a final four. Obviously there would need to be dedicated international windows for the touring NH nations & TRC. The open sharing of players is vital as it will strengthen the Aussie clubs, which improves the overall standard of the league, but it also gives more NZ players exposure to professional rugby, which would add to their already incredible depth, plus it would improve the standard of Aussie players by playing alongside and being coached by NZ coaches. NZ would provide the playing depth, Aus would provide a much larger broadcast market. The league would have four timelines to schedule broadcasts. The league would in time generate enough revenue to pay players professionally, thereby reducing the financial burdens on the parent unions. Everybody wins.
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This is what I have across the board for 23/24. Keen to hear how correct this is/more info that can be added.
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This is what I have across the board for 23/24. Keen to hear how correct this is/more info that can be added.
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@KiwiMurph whaaaattt, come back to the Canes Matty. At 30 he’d easily compete for an AB centre spot, especially with the guys running around atm. He was the best defensive centre in NZ when he left, was quality on attack too.
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This is what I have across the board for 23/24. Keen to hear how correct this is/more info that can be added.
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This is what I have across the board for 23/24. Keen to hear how correct this is/more info that can be added.
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@frugby where did you find confirmation of Blackwell and Prinsep leaving?
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@Canes4life I was wondering the same thing and I follow things closely.
Bower the same not sure that is correct either
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Bower the same not sure that is correct either
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@Chris Yes, I haven't even seen rumours that he's leaving. It could be true, but then they've kept that really, really quiet. He's 31 years old though.
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31 not really old for a prop.
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I hear he is re signing but we will see.
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Bower the same not sure that is correct either
@Chris said in Super Rugby 2024:
Bower the same not sure that is correct either
For some reason I had in the back of my head he had signed to go to France - might have muddled that up with Laulala. Intriguing that you are hearing he is staying, because I'd have thought he'd be a lock to head off-shore.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@frugby where did you find confirmation of Blackwell and Prinsep leaving?
Couldn't tell you where (Might have been on here) but read Blackwell is heading to Japan. As for Prinsep, taken a slight liberty, I don't think technically it has been confirmed he is leaving, so should have been yellow, though he is highly unlikely to be back.
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@frugby For the Chiefs, Sa is a lock. Cashmore is in the Blues WTG so more likely to be promoted there unless both Ioane and Reihana leave the Chiefs. It could be a LH and TH prop needed depending on what happens with Moli and Profitt.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@frugby For the Chiefs, Sa is a lock. Cashmore is in the Blues WTG so more likely to be promoted there unless both Ioane and Reihana leave the Chiefs. It could be a LH and TH prop needed depending on what happens with Moli and Profitt.
I also had Sa initially down as a lock, but noticed he played 8 for the Chiefs U20s... might be viewed as too short for lock? Wasn't aware Cashmore was with the Blues, kind of assumed the Chiefs were grooming him having allowed Kemara to head south. Guess Ioane is staying and they might run three 10s including Trask? Moli's comments the other day said to me that he is either going offshore or to MP, because his All Blacks dream is all but dead in the water. Profitt could well stay, hard to know what terms someone of his age would have signed.
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@frugby For the Chiefs, Sa is a lock. Cashmore is in the Blues WTG so more likely to be promoted there unless both Ioane and Reihana leave the Chiefs. It could be a LH and TH prop needed depending on what happens with Moli and Profitt.
I also had Sa initially down as a lock, but noticed he played 8 for the Chiefs U20s... might be viewed as too short for lock? Wasn't aware Cashmore was with the Blues, kind of assumed the Chiefs were grooming him having allowed Kemara to head south. Guess Ioane is staying and they might run three 10s including Trask? Moli's comments the other day said to me that he is either going offshore or to MP, because his All Blacks dream is all but dead in the water. Profitt could well stay, hard to know what terms someone of his age would have signed.
@frugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
I also had Sa initially down as a lock, but noticed he played 8 for the Chiefs U20s... might be viewed as too short for lock?
Sa is 2 m tall, so definitely a lock. I don't remember him playing at no.8. That was Wrampling or Forbes.
I don't think that the Chiefs need to replace Retallick with a lock if all the other locks are retained.
