Super Rugby 2024
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31 not really old for a prop.
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I hear he is re signing but we will see.
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Bower the same not sure that is correct either
@Chris said in Super Rugby 2024:
Bower the same not sure that is correct either
For some reason I had in the back of my head he had signed to go to France - might have muddled that up with Laulala. Intriguing that you are hearing he is staying, because I'd have thought he'd be a lock to head off-shore.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@frugby where did you find confirmation of Blackwell and Prinsep leaving?
Couldn't tell you where (Might have been on here) but read Blackwell is heading to Japan. As for Prinsep, taken a slight liberty, I don't think technically it has been confirmed he is leaving, so should have been yellow, though he is highly unlikely to be back.
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@frugby For the Chiefs, Sa is a lock. Cashmore is in the Blues WTG so more likely to be promoted there unless both Ioane and Reihana leave the Chiefs. It could be a LH and TH prop needed depending on what happens with Moli and Profitt.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@frugby For the Chiefs, Sa is a lock. Cashmore is in the Blues WTG so more likely to be promoted there unless both Ioane and Reihana leave the Chiefs. It could be a LH and TH prop needed depending on what happens with Moli and Profitt.
I also had Sa initially down as a lock, but noticed he played 8 for the Chiefs U20s... might be viewed as too short for lock? Wasn't aware Cashmore was with the Blues, kind of assumed the Chiefs were grooming him having allowed Kemara to head south. Guess Ioane is staying and they might run three 10s including Trask? Moli's comments the other day said to me that he is either going offshore or to MP, because his All Blacks dream is all but dead in the water. Profitt could well stay, hard to know what terms someone of his age would have signed.
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@frugby For the Chiefs, Sa is a lock. Cashmore is in the Blues WTG so more likely to be promoted there unless both Ioane and Reihana leave the Chiefs. It could be a LH and TH prop needed depending on what happens with Moli and Profitt.
I also had Sa initially down as a lock, but noticed he played 8 for the Chiefs U20s... might be viewed as too short for lock? Wasn't aware Cashmore was with the Blues, kind of assumed the Chiefs were grooming him having allowed Kemara to head south. Guess Ioane is staying and they might run three 10s including Trask? Moli's comments the other day said to me that he is either going offshore or to MP, because his All Blacks dream is all but dead in the water. Profitt could well stay, hard to know what terms someone of his age would have signed.
@frugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
I also had Sa initially down as a lock, but noticed he played 8 for the Chiefs U20s... might be viewed as too short for lock?
Sa is 2 m tall, so definitely a lock. I don't remember him playing at no.8. That was Wrampling or Forbes.
I don't think that the Chiefs need to replace Retallick with a lock if all the other locks are retained.
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@Chris said in Super Rugby 2024:
Bower the same not sure that is correct either
For some reason I had in the back of my head he had signed to go to France - might have muddled that up with Laulala. Intriguing that you are hearing he is staying, because I'd have thought he'd be a lock to head off-shore.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@frugby where did you find confirmation of Blackwell and Prinsep leaving?
Couldn't tell you where (Might have been on here) but read Blackwell is heading to Japan. As for Prinsep, taken a slight liberty, I don't think technically it has been confirmed he is leaving, so should have been yellow, though he is highly unlikely to be back.
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@frugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
I also had Sa initially down as a lock, but noticed he played 8 for the Chiefs U20s... might be viewed as too short for lock?
Sa is 2 m tall, so definitely a lock. I don't remember him playing at no.8. That was Wrampling or Forbes.
I don't think that the Chiefs need to replace Retallick with a lock if all the other locks are retained.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@frugby said in Super Rugby 2024:
I also had Sa initially down as a lock, but noticed he played 8 for the Chiefs U20s... might be viewed as too short for lock?
Sa is 2 m tall, so definitely a lock. I don't remember him playing at no.8. That was Wrampling or Forbes.
I don't think that the Chiefs need to replace Retallick with a lock if all the other locks are retained.
Sa started 8 in the QF and v MP. Granted, Forbes and Wrampling were injured so perhaps they would have packed down there - I'm not familiar enough with the Chiefs region to know that so I'll take your word for it.
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@frugby fingers crossed you're right with those two because it's time to move on from them both.
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@Canes4life I know Canes fans don't rate Prinsep, but I thought you guys liked Blackwell? Not a world-beater, but a dependable member to have in the squad.
@frugby he tries hard but I’m over not winning big matches because he drops the ball at a crucial time in the game, or he is outplayed by a bigger lock at lineout time.
We need taller locks with more grunt because our loosies are smaller than most teams.
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@kiwi_expat he's kinda right.
The underlying issue though is Super is no longer the premier domestic rugby comp in the world. It's slipped; I think we miss the SA teams in particular. Performance in Super no longer predicts success in Tests.
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for all the various idea thats have been tabled, i thin at very least handing the running over to its own organisation, one thats focus on whats best for the competition (making it sustainable etc) rather than whats best for each countries nations teams would be a positive way forward and should be looked at
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Rumour is Classic Sportswear is to take over NZ SR team kit next year, I'll never buy a kit with a fkn kangaroo on it!
where did you hear that? adidas contract was only renewed this year wasnt it? lots of aussie teams have had the Canterbury Kiwi on there so it might be payback
does classic do any rugby teams? thought they were more league
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Rumour is Classic Sportswear is to take over NZ SR team kit next year, I'll never buy a kit with a fkn kangaroo on it!
@Machpants yep that's 100% correct.
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Along with some good banter
A suggestion...
This is the last time the five foundation New Zealand sides will line up all in Adidas uniforms. The rumour mill suggests Classic Sportswear – who provide for a bunch of NRL sides – has done a deal with all five to take over the Super Rugby apparel from 2024, after the Super Rugby teams were allowed to be excluded from New Zealand Rugby’s arrangement with Adidas.A prediction...
The Classic Sports logo has a Kangaroo in it, which may be about as close as an Australian gets to winning Super Rugby in the next wee while. -
im not against some change, i'd have let the franchises find their own kit suppliers as might get some competition going
just looking, loads of their jerseys just have "classic" with no kangaroo
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for all the various idea thats have been tabled, i thin at very least handing the running over to its own organisation, one thats focus on whats best for the competition (making it sustainable etc) rather than whats best for each countries nations teams would be a positive way forward and should be looked at
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
for all the various idea thats have been tabled, i thin at very least handing the running over to its own organisation, one thats focus on whats best for the competition (making it sustainable etc) rather than whats best for each countries nations teams would be a positive way forward and should be looked at
I think the main issue with this is that each countries home union pays the bills. So they want to run Super but run it without the risk of keeping up payroll etc. So even if independent it would still need to have input/members from the home union anyway. So, while I'm not fully against it, I think that the realities of rugby in the SH are being ignored by suggesting something completely independent of the unions.
Although, TBH, when reviewing the efforts of the current private ownership bodies for each of our franchises, I see nothing that suggests that running these things independently will work any better than if the union ran it.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
for all the various idea thats have been tabled, i thin at very least handing the running over to its own organisation, one thats focus on whats best for the competition (making it sustainable etc) rather than whats best for each countries nations teams would be a positive way forward and should be looked at
I think the main issue with this is that each countries home union pays the bills. So they want to run Super but run it without the risk of keeping up payroll etc. So even if independent it would still need to have input/members from the home union anyway. So, while I'm not fully against it, I think that the realities of rugby in the SH are being ignored by suggesting something completely independent of the unions.
Although, TBH, when reviewing the efforts of the current private ownership bodies for each of our franchises, I see nothing that suggests that running these things independently will work any better than if the union ran it.
@Nepia i think NZR/RA would just need to be less hands off, provide the budgets the teams have to operate and then leave it to the teams and the organisation, the goal surely has to be seeing if they cant make the teams self sufficient
like the jersey stuff above, NZR sorts the kit suppliers...but that stops the individual team getting a better deal, we dont know that nike or canterbury didn't want to come in and supply one of the teams, take some market share off adidas...and if they dont want to do that but do supply other comps then we have to look at why the comp isn;t attracting these kinds of deals
AFC Wimbledon are having a similar debate, its a fan owned club, one fan one vote, but have allowed 25% to be sold of to private people...but we cant find people to take that up....the feedback being they dont want to invest in something when they dont actually own a meaningful amount...i cam imagine the franchises arent overly attractive to private money because so much is still controlled by NZ rugby...your basically just buying the right to operate something without the rights to change lots of things
