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It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.

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  • frugbyF frugby

    @Chris Yep, and I don't think that is a good thing at all. Razor is a marvellous coach, I rate him the best in the world, but the one thing that could hold him back, is an over-emphasis on Crusaders players.

    Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result.

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    We will see, as Razor has mentioned McDonald and Holland will also have selection in put plus Wayne Smith in the background.

    Tamiti also will coach Wellington in the NPC.

    I think it will be well rounded.

    Just adding to that Razor's job is to win with the AB's, not where they come from and pissing players off who he thinks are not good enough but maybe they do think they are..

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      @frugby
      We will see, as Razor has mentioned McDonald and Holland will also have selection in put plus Wayne Smith in the background.

      Tamiti also will coach Wellington in the NPC.

      I think it will be well rounded.

      Just adding to that Razor's job is to win with the AB's, not where they come from and pissing players off who he thinks are not good enough but maybe they do think they are..

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        I said there's alot about Ryan I don't like at all think he might get found out , but still right behind our abs , but his selections worry me

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          @Chris Yep, and I don't think that is a good thing at all. Razor is a marvellous coach, I rate him the best in the world, but the one thing that could hold him back, is an over-emphasis on Crusaders players.

          Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result.

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          @frugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

          Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result

          What about the ABs & NZ XV just announced? Looks about right.

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            Wayne Smith should In my opinion have say in selection just adds to the fire don't u think

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              no say in selection in my opinion

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              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                @frugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result

                What about the ABs & NZ XV just announced? Looks about right.

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                Yep as Foster said Ryan lead the way in those Forward selections.

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                  Wayne Smith should In my opinion have say in selection just adds to the fire don't u think

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                  Another Crusader ?

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                    ? In what way Foster

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                      ? In what way Foster

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                      I thought you meant Smith being involved in selections.

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                        What's Wayne Smith doin in there at all just a mentor to Razor ? So many titles well deserved tho Razor but come on stand tall

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                          What's Wayne Smith doin in there at all just a mentor to Razor ? So many titles well deserved tho Razor but come on stand tall

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                          Yeah mentor role.

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                            @frugby

                            He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                            He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

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                            @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @frugby

                            He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                            He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

                            This is an odd set up if correct. Tamati is the Wellington head coach. His focus should be there (he's already an assistant with the Crusaders) not helping out an assistant with the ABs.

                            Key for Tamati now is to learn and prove himself as a head coach.

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                              @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @frugby

                              He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                              He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

                              This is an odd set up if correct. Tamati is the Wellington head coach. His focus should be there (he's already an assistant with the Crusaders) not helping out an assistant with the ABs.

                              Key for Tamati now is to learn and prove himself as a head coach.

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                              Yep is is 100% correct Tamati will help Hansen out with the AB defence.

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                              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                @george33 Because the proven test experience of Fozzie and Mcleod worked so well?

                                Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

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                                @KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

                                The scrum and maul has continued to improve which is great, but I'm not quite convinced yet.

                                The flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces. Get that last 5% headspace thing sorted out and we'll be good.

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                                  @KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

                                  The scrum and maul has continued to improve which is great, but I'm not quite convinced yet.

                                  The flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces. Get that last 5% headspace thing sorted out and we'll be good.

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                                  @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                                  tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

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                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                                    tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

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                                    @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                                    tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

                                    And the head coach is still there....

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                                      @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                                      tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

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                                      @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                                      tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

                                      Yep. Was always going to take a while. Bit too early to see if any improvements are baked in, though the collective brain-farts in the forwards are def. on a downward trend.

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                                      • ChrisC Chris

                                        Tamati Ellison will also be involved with coaching defence in the national team’s setup.

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                                        @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                        Tamati Ellison will also be involved with coaching defence in the national team’s setup.

                                        Will he no longer be coaching Wellington after 2023? How can he remain an NPC coach? the seasons overlap.

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                                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          Tamati Ellison will also be involved with coaching defence in the national team’s setup.

                                          Will he no longer be coaching Wellington after 2023? How can he remain an NPC coach? the seasons overlap.

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                                          Probably not with Wellington 2024

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