All Blacks 2023
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Scooter could be a world-class lock, or a carthorse at 6 so it makes perfect sense that Fozzie would pick the carthorse option for his career development.
@Windows97 i think he's a little better at 6 that "carthorse"...but i agree he could be a world class lock
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@Windows97 i think he's a little better at 6 that "carthorse"...but i agree he could be a world class lock
@Kiwiwomble embellished for the sake of humor. He's probably the best 6 in the squad, which given we've had 4 years to find a specialist 6 since the last RWC and now looking to play scooter at 6 again for this cycle is kind of sad/disappointing/frustrating.
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Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
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Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
@MN5 a bit scary as although fozzie wasn't didnt have the big job....he was part of the decision making team last time it didn't work
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
Depends if he’s your best fullback or lock
Then it weakens the team more often than not
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
Oh absolutely.
If said fullback is a relative donkey with questionable pace but physical presence it’s got great potential.
It’s when the fullback in question is more of a fleet footed Cullen/Muliana type that things can go a bit pear shaped.
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
Oh absolutely.
If said fullback is a relative donkey with questionable pace but physical presence it’s got great potential.
It’s when the fullback in question is more of a fleet footed Cullen/Muliana type that things can go a bit pear shaped.
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
What about the opposite lol. Cullen was a centre long before he was a fullback!!
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
No. But feel free to implement the rule for second five as well.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
What about the opposite lol. Cullen was a centre long before he was a fullback!!
Regardless, the moment he played a test match as fullback that was it, no more centre.
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ABs to wear black jersey in pool games.
Handy shandy won the toss off in Paris
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
It was a dad joke!
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Would have to be a big hungry centre and a small tasty 12 (continuing the dad joke).
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I'd say plenty of Kiwis actually play as inside centre's. Nonu, for example. SBW too. Men relying on power running as a primary weapon.
That they couldn't play 10 at a pinch is a bit of a giveaway that they're not 5-8
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I'd say plenty of Kiwis actually play as inside centre's. Nonu, for example. SBW too. Men relying on power running as a primary weapon.
That they couldn't play 10 at a pinch is a bit of a giveaway that they're not 5-8
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As it appears I have to explain MY dad joke ...
... the position name in NZ, being the guardians of all that is decent in rugby, is 2nd Five-Eighth.
It does not depend on the player's style.
It is only the more ignorant parts of the world (which is everywhere else) who refer to the 12 as any sort of "centre".
This is the equivalent of "versing" and apostrophe abuse.
Off to the GOM thread...
And get back on topic the lot of you.
