All Blacks 2023
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
Depends if he’s your best fullback or lock
Then it weakens the team more often than not
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
Oh absolutely.
If said fullback is a relative donkey with questionable pace but physical presence it’s got great potential.
It’s when the fullback in question is more of a fleet footed Cullen/Muliana type that things can go a bit pear shaped.
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
Oh absolutely.
If said fullback is a relative donkey with questionable pace but physical presence it’s got great potential.
It’s when the fullback in question is more of a fleet footed Cullen/Muliana type that things can go a bit pear shaped.
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
What about the opposite lol. Cullen was a centre long before he was a fullback!!
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
No. But feel free to implement the rule for second five as well.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
What about the opposite lol. Cullen was a centre long before he was a fullback!!
Regardless, the moment he played a test match as fullback that was it, no more centre.
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ABs to wear black jersey in pool games.
Handy shandy won the toss off in Paris
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
It was a dad joke!
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Would have to be a big hungry centre and a small tasty 12 (continuing the dad joke).
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I'd say plenty of Kiwis actually play as inside centre's. Nonu, for example. SBW too. Men relying on power running as a primary weapon.
That they couldn't play 10 at a pinch is a bit of a giveaway that they're not 5-8
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I'd say plenty of Kiwis actually play as inside centre's. Nonu, for example. SBW too. Men relying on power running as a primary weapon.
That they couldn't play 10 at a pinch is a bit of a giveaway that they're not 5-8
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As it appears I have to explain MY dad joke ...
... the position name in NZ, being the guardians of all that is decent in rugby, is 2nd Five-Eighth.
It does not depend on the player's style.
It is only the more ignorant parts of the world (which is everywhere else) who refer to the 12 as any sort of "centre".
This is the equivalent of "versing" and apostrophe abuse.
Off to the GOM thread...
And get back on topic the lot of you.
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@Chester-Draws Nonu was a great passer of the ball, far better than e.g. Aaron Mauger who most would call a 2nd 5. SBW was just playing league. Neither are great examples.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws Nonu was a great passer of the ball, far better than e.g. Aaron Mauger who most would call a 2nd 5. SBW was just playing league. Neither are great examples.
Nonu could quite literally do it all.
Just as much a one in a generation player as DC or Richie in my opinion. He just took awhile to shake the one dimensional bulldozer stereotype cos he was very good at doing just that too.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws Nonu was a great passer of the ball, far better than e.g. Aaron Mauger who most would call a 2nd 5. SBW was just playing league. Neither are great examples.
Nonu could quite literally do it all.
Just as much a one in a generation player as DC or Richie in my opinion. He just took awhile to shake the one dimensional bulldozer stereotype cos he was very good at doing just that too.
@MN5 glad you added the last bit, sometimes i find Nonu gets deified as if he didn't have work ons and didn't have to put in the work to become what he was towards the latter end of his AB career....he was still shit for the Highlanders though
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The slur against SBW about "just playing league" is ridiculous. He was a very good union player, and had he stayed fit, would have been a great.
Dan Carter could do it all too. But when he played in the number 12 jersey, he was definitely a 2nd-5, not centre.
Nonu played straight and hard. That he could also pass didn't make him a 2nd-5 -- it made him a really good inside centre. What he didn't really do was play at first receiver very much, because he wasn't very good at that. He had a good kick for a centre, but he wasn't going to exit to touch with it.
If you think about Carter and Nonu playing the #12 jersey, what about their games was similar? Yes, both good defenders, but in very different ways. Both good runners, but in very different ways. Nonu was not a great punter. Carter not likely to crash through a hole.
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The slur against SBW about "just playing league" is ridiculous. He was a very good union player, and had he stayed fit, would have been a great.
Dan Carter could do it all too. But when he played in the number 12 jersey, he was definitely a 2nd-5, not centre.
Nonu played straight and hard. That he could also pass didn't make him a 2nd-5 -- it made him a really good inside centre. What he didn't really do was play at first receiver very much, because he wasn't very good at that. He had a good kick for a centre, but he wasn't going to exit to touch with it.
If you think about Carter and Nonu playing the #12 jersey, what about their games was similar? Yes, both good defenders, but in very different ways. Both good runners, but in very different ways. Nonu was not a great punter. Carter not likely to crash through a hole.
@Chester-Draws Both excellent readers of the game and excellent distributors is the more important factor.
Jordie Barrett plays more of an inside centre role than Nonu, but he can kick for touch just fine.
