Argentina v All Blacks
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Admittedly I didn't watch a great deal of Super rugby this year bar the finals, but I feel like the legend of SS grows by the day. We'll be at Ngatai levels soon if they don't pick him for the next test.
@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Admittedly I didn't watch a great deal of Super rugby this year bar the finals, but I feel like the legend of SS grows by the day. We'll be at Ngatai levels soon if they don't pick him for the next test.
LOL what? Ngatai was good at SR (and never great - which is the ironic point of the Maori Jesus joke), SS is the best player this year. Full stop. The guy in his jersey is someone playing on the fact he was great last decade
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Admittedly I didn't watch a great deal of Super rugby this year bar the finals, but I feel like the legend of SS grows by the day. We'll be at Ngatai levels soon if they don't pick him for the next test.
@No-Quarter the buzz has almost reached the Roger Randle peak.
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Admittedly I didn't watch a great deal of Super rugby this year bar the finals, but I feel like the legend of SS grows by the day. We'll be at Ngatai levels soon if they don't pick him for the next test.
@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Admittedly I didn't watch a great deal of Super rugby this year
Explains why you are excited to watch BB.
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@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Admittedly I didn't watch a great deal of Super rugby this year
Explains why you are excited to watch BB.
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Admittedly I didn't watch a great deal of Super rugby this year
Explains why you are excited to watch BB.
I guess not watched much rugby for quite a few years
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@No-Quarter the buzz has almost reached the Roger Randle peak.
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@taniwharugby what the fuck is this shit? They've got room for SB and a real greenhorn and an out of form CC and BB but nothing for one of the best backs over the last two years in SS???
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby what the fuck is this shit? They've got room for SB and a real greenhorn and an out of form CC and BB but nothing for one of the best backs over the last two years in SS???
Foster special. Sooner we’re rid of the muppet the better.
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@Bones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
From what Foster said, they def. rate SS but have a few concerns about defence
Are we still trying to believe what Foster says? Just like last year he was selecting the hookers on form eh...but then changed his tune and you even bought that!
He just makes shit up to tell the media/public.
Selecting Jordan and Clarke but not selecting Stevenson because of defence is about as believable as that time I rode a horse to the sun.
Meanwhile Beauden's most recent defensive play for the ABs was getting himself binned at Twickenham which was a huge contributing factor in the ABs throwing away a win.
@KiwiMurph and I still maintain, the ref got that wrong. BB was perfectly legal in what he did.
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@Crazy-Horse when Henry/Hansen (less late Hansen) used to say it, and I disagreed, I trusted their decision making more, they had the results to back up thier decisions, Foster doesnt.
Sure he has a had a poor record, alot will largely get forgotten if he pulls off the RWC, but for that, he needs to be bold, nothing here screams bold.
@taniwharugby and I think that is where NZ rugby has lost. I'll never forget a series loss at home, and two losses for the first time. Hell, I still haven't forgiven Hansen for Chicago and the Lions. ABs rugby is dead if tests in-between WC are forgotten. You could see the hurt in Justin Marshall's eyes after Ireland.
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Well I'll go against the grain and say I really like that backline. The only change I'd make for the RWC is Jordan at 14 when he's fit. Very happy to see them giving DMac some time at 10, and excited to see what he can do with Jordie and Rieko outside him. I hope he really challenges Mo'unga for the starting 10 slot.
BB at the back is purely an experience thing, he will be there to help organise the backline, particularly on defense which I suspect is what they are wanting SS to do more. Agree with others that I wouldn't start him at 10 anymore, but he's still very effective from 15.
On the bench, we'd have ALB there if he wasn't suspended. Would like to see Roigard there but he is very green still.
The forwards I am less convinced by. Would prefer Dalton starting at 7, though Cane has played well enough this year to keep his spot. Frizell I just do not understand at all and I don't think I ever will. Playing him repeatedly does not solve any of our problems at 6.
@Stargazer is right I think when he said some selections are about giving players from the final another week off.
@No-Quarter Roigard is still green? So do we play him now or in the RWC if he's seriously a contender? You know, when he's still green? We have 4 tests. 4. Before France. We still don't know who our best loose forwards are. Centres. Wings. Full back. 10. More than half the team.
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@taniwharugby and I think that is where NZ rugby has lost. I'll never forget a series loss at home, and two losses for the first time. Hell, I still haven't forgiven Hansen for Chicago and the Lions. ABs rugby is dead if tests in-between WC are forgotten. You could see the hurt in Justin Marshall's eyes after Ireland.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby and I think that is where NZ rugby has lost. I'll never forget a series loss at home, and two losses for the first time. Hell, I still haven't forgiven Hansen for Chicago and the Lions. ABs rugby is dead if tests in-between WC are forgotten. You could see the hurt in Justin Marshall's eyes after Ireland.
Im with you brother. This stuff matters.
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The crest on the front of the jersey is bigger than any name on the back.
And no one should be allowed stink the shirt out for an extended period of time.
That's why the legacy came to be.
Heroes come and go......and there is no shame in that.
But when its time to be moved on, move them on. Whoever they may be.
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@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Well I'll go against the grain and say I really like that backline. The only change I'd make for the RWC is Jordan at 14 when he's fit. Very happy to see them giving DMac some time at 10, and excited to see what he can do with Jordie and Rieko outside him. I hope he really challenges Mo'unga for the starting 10 slot.
BB at the back is purely an experience thing, he will be there to help organise the backline, particularly on defense which I suspect is what they are wanting SS to do more. Agree with others that I wouldn't start him at 10 anymore, but he's still very effective from 15.
On the bench, we'd have ALB there if he wasn't suspended. Would like to see Roigard there but he is very green still.
The forwards I am less convinced by. Would prefer Dalton starting at 7, though Cane has played well enough this year to keep his spot. Frizell I just do not understand at all and I don't think I ever will. Playing him repeatedly does not solve any of our problems at 6.
@Stargazer is right I think when he said some selections are about giving players from the final another week off.
Gives the fern an opportunity to talk up Akira Ioane ?
Yeah I’m seriously scratching my head by this. For a country that historically has test class players growing on trees the drop down since Kaino has retired has been baffling.
Is it that hard to find a big, scary, skilled munter to fill the void ?
Someone should give Troy Flavell a call, he looked in great shape on that Match fit show a couple of years back.
@MN5 And while your at it give Paekak Ex. a call
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At this stage of the cycle we should have a core 12 players and then time and wiggle room for a flavour of the month , a Milner Skudder type with the hot hand (Stevenson) to be the icing on the cake.
4 games from word cup and we are still fluting around with Frizell, Beaudy, Caleb.
Its an omni shambles.
Mo'unga has won super rugby 7 years on the spin??? Is that right? And he has never been properly given the keys to the castle.
I love DMAC. He could play a blinder this week....and you know what happens next week? He is either dropped or shunted to 15 so Mo'unga gets a go.
EVERYONE has been done a disservice since 2019 including Beaudy. Backrow the same.
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@MN5 And while your at it give Paekak Ex. a call
@BerniesCorner said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@MN5 And while your at it give Paekak Ex. a call
I miss Cully.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
Not sure the 11/10/13 axis is traditionally considered a “combo”…
@voodoo said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Not sure the 11/10/13 axis is traditionally considered a “combo”…
Well, maybe not as I missed JB from the list...
But the point still stands: the 9-15 combo apart from 10 & 14 are pretty settled and pretty much identical when RM comes off the bench.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
when the AB's are normally rusty
I'm not sure throwing in a bunch of rusty players instead is the answer.
@Bones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'm not sure throwing in a bunch of rusty players instead is the answer.
You could well be right. I just referenced a comment made by someone else to get my head around Foster's selections.
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@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Well I'll go against the grain and say I really like that backline. The only change I'd make for the RWC is Jordan at 14 when he's fit. Very happy to see them giving DMac some time at 10, and excited to see what he can do with Jordie and Rieko outside him. I hope he really challenges Mo'unga for the starting 10 slot.
BB at the back is purely an experience thing, he will be there to help organise the backline, particularly on defense which I suspect is what they are wanting SS to do more. Agree with others that I wouldn't start him at 10 anymore, but he's still very effective from 15.
On the bench, we'd have ALB there if he wasn't suspended. Would like to see Roigard there but he is very green still.
The forwards I am less convinced by. Would prefer Dalton starting at 7, though Cane has played well enough this year to keep his spot. Frizell I just do not understand at all and I don't think I ever will. Playing him repeatedly does not solve any of our problems at 6.
@Stargazer is right I think when he said some selections are about giving players from the final another week off.
Gives the fern an opportunity to talk up Akira Ioane ?
Yeah I’m seriously scratching my head by this. For a country that historically has test class players growing on trees the drop down since Kaino has retired has been baffling.
Is it that hard to find a big, scary, skilled munter to fill the void ?
Someone should give Troy Flavell a call, he looked in great shape on that Match fit show a couple of years back.
@MN5 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Yeah I’m seriously scratching my head by this. For a country that historically has test class players growing on trees the drop down since Kaino has retired has been baffling.
Is it that hard to find a big, scary, skilled munter to fill the void ?
We don't seem to have a decent development plan in place do we - and not just at 6?
