All Blacks 2023
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@Canes4life No denying Roigard is great, but I'm not sure Fakatava's unpredictability is necessarily a criticism.
IMO, Smith should and will play the full 80 of knockout matches at the World Cup if they are close. The guy's fitness levels are top-notch, but if we are losing and looking for spark, Fakatava is that guy. Not to say Roigard doesn't have X-Factor, because those two will be a heck of a 1-2 punch post WC, but he hasn't got miles on the clock yet... that said, for me it is anyone over Christie, and I'd be happy to take Fakatava and Roigard, but was more so saying, if they wanted to take the latter, feel like he needed to give him as much game time in the lead up as possible.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@Canes4life No denying Roigard is great, but I'm not sure Fakatava's unpredictability is necessarily a criticism.
IMO, Smith should and will play the full 80 of knockout matches at the World Cup if they are close. The guy's fitness levels are top-notch, but if we are losing and looking for spark, Fakatava is that guy. Not to say Roigard doesn't have X-Factor, because those two will be a heck of a 1-2 punch post WC, but he hasn't got miles on the clock yet... that said, for me it is anyone over Christie, and I'd be happy to take Fakatava and Roigard, but was more so saying, if they wanted to take the latter, feel like he needed to give him as much game time in the lead up as possible.
Mate you lose a lot of reason when you say anyone over Christie. Shows a bias against him. I not his greatest fan, but I getting feeling they like his defence.Keen on seeing Roigard have a crack, but not sure how things are looking at training.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@Canes4life No denying Roigard is great, but I'm not sure Fakatava's unpredictability is necessarily a criticism.
IMO, Smith should and will play the full 80 of knockout matches at the World Cup if they are close. The guy's fitness levels are top-notch, but if we are losing and looking for spark, Fakatava is that guy. Not to say Roigard doesn't have X-Factor, because those two will be a heck of a 1-2 punch post WC, but he hasn't got miles on the clock yet... that said, for me it is anyone over Christie, and I'd be happy to take Fakatava and Roigard, but was more so saying, if they wanted to take the latter, feel like he needed to give him as much game time in the lead up as possible.
Mate you lose a lot of reason when you say anyone over Christie. Shows a bias against him. I not his greatest fan, but I getting feeling they like his defence.Keen on seeing Roigard have a crack, but not sure how things are looking at training.
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@Dan54 I've no bias against him, I just rate the other four + TJ Perenara a lot higher than him. I think his pass his is inconsistent and his decision making is often found wanting under pressure.
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I didn't realise Altrad was this, corruption and asbestos plus oil and chemicals, good mix of sponsors 🤪
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Looks a fair bit like Canterbury A vs Ta$man B (well, B+).
Drubbing coming up!
Has Fozzie said when he'll name his 33 man squad for RWC? I've seen indications that some countries will name their squads starting around 7 August.
Which suggests time is short for the likes of Dave Havili and Ethan Blackadder to prove their fitness and make their runs.
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Looks a fair bit like Canterbury A vs Ta$man B (well, B+).
Drubbing coming up!
Has Fozzie said when he'll name his 33 man squad for RWC? I've seen indications that some countries will name their squads starting around 7 August.
Which suggests time is short for the likes of Dave Havili and Ethan Blackadder to prove their fitness and make their runs.
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@Chris-B They may name a RWC squad and bracket some players. Or name a squad and leave some spots open, with more players to be named later. Woulnd't be the first time.
@Stargazer Possible I guess - but, it would surprise me these days.
I think they'd most likely name their preferred 33 with potentially one or two who aren't at full fitness - as per Kieran Read in 2011. If those guys didn't make it back they'd drop out.
I'm not sure Ethan has played enough in recent times to warrant that sort of special treatment, hence I would have liked to see him especially turning up this week.
I think the AB selections make it pretty clear they're holding a space for Dave, since Dallas McLeod would be his obvious back-up within the current squad, though I'm inclined to think Jack Goodhue is more likely.
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@Stargazer Possible I guess - but, it would surprise me these days.
I think they'd most likely name their preferred 33 with potentially one or two who aren't at full fitness - as per Kieran Read in 2011. If those guys didn't make it back they'd drop out.
I'm not sure Ethan has played enough in recent times to warrant that sort of special treatment, hence I would have liked to see him especially turning up this week.
I think the AB selections make it pretty clear they're holding a space for Dave, since Dallas McLeod would be his obvious back-up within the current squad, though I'm inclined to think Jack Goodhue is more likely.
@Chris-B ABs were holding a space for Havili and Blackadder I have no doubt... Havili might be struggling if ALB does well this weekend, because Ennor has probably wrapped up one spot.
I still think they want to take Blackadder, which as he has played bugger all rugby in 18 months, I think it is nuts. I mean it isn't like he was that good in his, checks notes 9 tests, the last of which he was hooked after 60 minutes.
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@Chris-B ABs were holding a space for Havili and Blackadder I have no doubt... Havili might be struggling if ALB does well this weekend, because Ennor has probably wrapped up one spot.
I still think they want to take Blackadder, which as he has played bugger all rugby in 18 months, I think it is nuts. I mean it isn't like he was that good in his, checks notes 9 tests, the last of which he was hooked after 60 minutes.
I guess these really belong here.
I'd be pretty surprised if Ennor has a spot locked up. I think Jordie and Havili will be our second fives and Reiko and ALB will be our centres, with ALB our midfield bench man.
Ennor has been in the squad for the past several years but used infrequently and only started vs the minnows. I think he had a good game in the semi vs the Blues and I hoped he might have turned the corner, but then I thought he was pretty poor in the final.
I don't think they'll take Ethan unless he gets out on the park in the NPC and shows them what they're missing - the second part actually being easier than the first, I think.
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ALB is the next midfield option after JB and Ioane. He covers both 12 and 13, which neither Havili or Ennor do. When you look at all of the other fullback options in the squad, Havili's utility value is limited. That said, he's probably ahead of Ennor in their pecking order of backup players.
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ALB is the next midfield option after JB and Ioane. He covers both 12 and 13, which neither Havili or Ennor do. When you look at all of the other fullback options in the squad, Havili's utility value is limited. That said, he's probably ahead of Ennor in their pecking order of backup players.
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@canefan Started at 2nd five - I presume he moved to centre when SBW came on for Goodhue.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan Started at 2nd five - I presume he moved to centre when SBW came on for Goodhue.
I'm not going to put it all on him, because there was plenty of blame pie to go around. But I don't remember him dominating in the ground battle. Jordie is the only one who carts it up, if he goes down we are in deep shit
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan Started at 2nd five - I presume he moved to centre when SBW came on for Goodhue.
I'm not going to put it all on him, because there was plenty of blame pie to go around. But I don't remember him dominating in the ground battle. Jordie is the only one who carts it up, if he goes down we are in deep shit
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Marc Hinton picks his RWC squad. I think it is a big risk to select players who have a history of being injured too often.
Dane Coles, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tuungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Tupou Vaa’i, Sam Cane (capt), Dalton Papalii, Shannon Frizell, Ardie Savea, Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackadder; Finlay Christie, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo’unga, Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Will Jordan, Mark Telea, Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa.
The important info:
The World Cup squad of 33 will be unveiled in Napier on Monday, August 7.
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@Chris I've just reviewed the schedule, wasn't aware there are no midweek games this time around, which might change their thinking... perhaps as opposed to thinking about rest and rotation, it is more about covering worst case scenario.
So, do you want your best three tightheads and best three looseheads? Are we worried about two old locks getting injured? Do they want specialist blindside cover (Finau)? As Barrett is nailed on in 15, do they want a third 10? Do they want a fifth midfielder for if two go down?
I think you are right, realistically, taking six props would make sense.
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Marc Hinton picks his RWC squad. I think it is a big risk to select players who have a history of being injured too often.
Dane Coles, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tuungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Tupou Vaa’i, Sam Cane (capt), Dalton Papalii, Shannon Frizell, Ardie Savea, Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackadder; Finlay Christie, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo’unga, Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Will Jordan, Mark Telea, Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa.
The important info:
The World Cup squad of 33 will be unveiled in Napier on Monday, August 7.
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@Bovidae That's pretty close, only possible changes I could see is Lord over Blackadder given they rate SB and Vaa'i to cover 6, so carry an extra lock and maybe Ennor over Havili (I have no preference for either btw).
@Windows97 With Jordie, Rieko and ALB locked in, their preference should be for another second-five rather than a centre (under Fozzie ALB has pretty clearly been used as a centre who can cover 2nd five).
Havili has played in 20 tests during Fozzie's era, starting in most of them. Ennor has played 8, started in 3 vs minnows.
If Havili misses out, I'm inclined to think it will be to Goodhue rather than Ennor.
I reckon they'll pick Moody if he's fit. No real idea how they'll juggle Nepo, Ofa, Fletch and Tamaiti - but, four into three doesn't go.
I have a hunch it will be one of the Crusaders rookies who will miss out - I reckon Tamaiti is better around the park than Fletch, but he may not be quite as strong a scrummager on the tighthead side (and that's frankly a guess). I'd pick Tamaiti, but I suspect it will go the other way.
