All Blacks 2023
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ALB is the next midfield option after JB and Ioane. He covers both 12 and 13, which neither Havili or Ennor do. When you look at all of the other fullback options in the squad, Havili's utility value is limited. That said, he's probably ahead of Ennor in their pecking order of backup players.
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@canefan Started at 2nd five - I presume he moved to centre when SBW came on for Goodhue.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan Started at 2nd five - I presume he moved to centre when SBW came on for Goodhue.
I'm not going to put it all on him, because there was plenty of blame pie to go around. But I don't remember him dominating in the ground battle. Jordie is the only one who carts it up, if he goes down we are in deep shit
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan Started at 2nd five - I presume he moved to centre when SBW came on for Goodhue.
I'm not going to put it all on him, because there was plenty of blame pie to go around. But I don't remember him dominating in the ground battle. Jordie is the only one who carts it up, if he goes down we are in deep shit
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Marc Hinton picks his RWC squad. I think it is a big risk to select players who have a history of being injured too often.
Dane Coles, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tuungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Tupou Vaa’i, Sam Cane (capt), Dalton Papalii, Shannon Frizell, Ardie Savea, Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackadder; Finlay Christie, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo’unga, Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Will Jordan, Mark Telea, Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa.
The important info:
The World Cup squad of 33 will be unveiled in Napier on Monday, August 7.
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@Chris I've just reviewed the schedule, wasn't aware there are no midweek games this time around, which might change their thinking... perhaps as opposed to thinking about rest and rotation, it is more about covering worst case scenario.
So, do you want your best three tightheads and best three looseheads? Are we worried about two old locks getting injured? Do they want specialist blindside cover (Finau)? As Barrett is nailed on in 15, do they want a third 10? Do they want a fifth midfielder for if two go down?
I think you are right, realistically, taking six props would make sense.
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Marc Hinton picks his RWC squad. I think it is a big risk to select players who have a history of being injured too often.
Dane Coles, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tuungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Tupou Vaa’i, Sam Cane (capt), Dalton Papalii, Shannon Frizell, Ardie Savea, Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackadder; Finlay Christie, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo’unga, Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Will Jordan, Mark Telea, Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa.
The important info:
The World Cup squad of 33 will be unveiled in Napier on Monday, August 7.
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@Bovidae That's pretty close, only possible changes I could see is Lord over Blackadder given they rate SB and Vaa'i to cover 6, so carry an extra lock and maybe Ennor over Havili (I have no preference for either btw).
@Windows97 With Jordie, Rieko and ALB locked in, their preference should be for another second-five rather than a centre (under Fozzie ALB has pretty clearly been used as a centre who can cover 2nd five).
Havili has played in 20 tests during Fozzie's era, starting in most of them. Ennor has played 8, started in 3 vs minnows.
If Havili misses out, I'm inclined to think it will be to Goodhue rather than Ennor.
I reckon they'll pick Moody if he's fit. No real idea how they'll juggle Nepo, Ofa, Fletch and Tamaiti - but, four into three doesn't go.
I have a hunch it will be one of the Crusaders rookies who will miss out - I reckon Tamaiti is better around the park than Fletch, but he may not be quite as strong a scrummager on the tighthead side (and that's frankly a guess). I'd pick Tamaiti, but I suspect it will go the other way.
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Marc Hinton picks his RWC squad. I think it is a big risk to select players who have a history of being injured too often.
Dane Coles, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tuungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Tupou Vaa’i, Sam Cane (capt), Dalton Papalii, Shannon Frizell, Ardie Savea, Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackadder; Finlay Christie, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo’unga, Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Will Jordan, Mark Telea, Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa.
The important info:
The World Cup squad of 33 will be unveiled in Napier on Monday, August 7.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
Marc Hinton picks his RWC squad. I think it is a big risk to select players who have a history of being injured too often.
Dane Coles, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tuungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Tupou Vaa’i, Sam Cane (capt), Dalton Papalii, Shannon Frizell, Ardie Savea, Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackadder; Finlay Christie, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo’unga, Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Will Jordan, Mark Telea, Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa.
The important info:
The World Cup squad of 33 will be unveiled in Napier on Monday, August 7.
Solid, balanced squad and most importantly the selections have been consistent (barring injuries). Because of this our combinations are looking solid particularly 9/10/15 and 12/13.
Given Havili has had zero game time it’s hard to see him get picked over Goodhue or Nankivell?
I’d love to see them punt on Stevenson but unfortunately there is just no room.
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@Windows97 With Jordie, Rieko and ALB locked in, their preference should be for another second-five rather than a centre (under Fozzie ALB has pretty clearly been used as a centre who can cover 2nd five).
Havili has played in 20 tests during Fozzie's era, starting in most of them. Ennor has played 8, started in 3 vs minnows.
If Havili misses out, I'm inclined to think it will be to Goodhue rather than Ennor.
I reckon they'll pick Moody if he's fit. No real idea how they'll juggle Nepo, Ofa, Fletch and Tamaiti - but, four into three doesn't go.
I have a hunch it will be one of the Crusaders rookies who will miss out - I reckon Tamaiti is better around the park than Fletch, but he may not be quite as strong a scrummager on the tighthead side (and that's frankly a guess). I'd pick Tamaiti, but I suspect it will go the other way.
@Chris-B Yep certainly some good points there and I agree with your logic, my thinking was that the selection would be based of utility value and maybe Ennor offered a little bit more there but player for player Havili probably has the inside running.
Feel sorry for Goodhue - he's kinda like the forgotten man of NZ rugby, just a terrible run of injures really chopped down his career in his tracks.
Still when the debate on this forum is about the backups to the backups it shows how settled the team is this year in terms of selection, which is a nice problem to have as prior years have been head scratching at times, to say the least.
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The draw may influence the squad members numbered 24-33 as well.
7 days between games. Hardest game first up, a fortnight to Italy, and two absolute gimmes for the others may just allow them to be very "top 23" focused, and by that i mean, take guys who they think will slot in if one of the top side goes down, rather than trying to cover a heap of positions. There is ample rest time so the top guys can play a lot of each game if they need to.
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it's hilarious that two of the top 4 will definitely be out by the end of the quarters, but huge chance the other two make the final.
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it's hilarious that two of the top 4 will definitely be out by the end of the quarters, but huge chance the other two make the final.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
it's hilarious that two of the top 4 will definitely be out by the end of the quarters, but huge chance the other two make the final.
It's mad that the RWC doesn't push the pool runner up to the other side of the draw.
It would be basically a non-issue that we have such a ridiculous early draw and this situation.
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it's hilarious that two of the top 4 will definitely be out by the end of the quarters, but huge chance the other two make the final.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
it's hilarious that two of the top 4 will definitely be out by the end of the quarters, but huge chance the other two make the final.
On the other hand pool play would be pretty bloody boring if the top 4 were in 4 separate pools.
Real uncertainty as to who is going to win any pool
