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All Blacks 2023

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  • P pakman

    The serious point here is that AB backline functions best with a big body at 12, allowing the option of just trucking the ball up and resetting. Other than Jordie who can fill the bill?

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    @pakman Ngani Laumape. 😁

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    • P pakman

      The serious point here is that AB backline functions best with a big body at 12, allowing the option of just trucking the ball up and resetting. Other than Jordie who can fill the bill?

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      @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

      The serious point here is that AB backline functions best with a big body at 12, allowing the option of just trucking the ball up and resetting. Other than Jordie who can fill the bill?

      You can see why they have some interest in Aumua.

      TUG would be a good player for them to look at, if he is ever not injured for long enough.

      More likely, Tupaea can do that role, but not with quite the same impact.

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      • gt12G gt12

        @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

        The serious point here is that AB backline functions best with a big body at 12, allowing the option of just trucking the ball up and resetting. Other than Jordie who can fill the bill?

        You can see why they have some interest in Aumua.

        TUG would be a good player for them to look at, if he is ever not injured for long enough.

        More likely, Tupaea can do that role, but not with quite the same impact.

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        @gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:

        TUG would be a good player for them to look at, if he is ever not injured for long enough.

        A million miles from international quality. His defence is terrible.

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        • TimT Tim

          @gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:

          TUG would be a good player for them to look at, if he is ever not injured for long enough.

          A million miles from international quality. His defence is terrible.

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          @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

          @gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:

          TUG would be a good player for them to look at, if he is ever not injured for long enough.

          A million miles from international quality. His defence is terrible.

          Going down that road though, whose isn't?

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          • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

            Asafo Aumua in a moon boot from a post on Instagram. Not sure the extent of the injury but it begs the question, if he’s out, who’s next in line if any of the current AB hookers go down?

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            @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:

            Asafo Aumua in a moon boot from a post on Instagram. Not sure the extent of the injury but it begs the question, if he’s out, who’s next in line if any of the current AB hookers go down?

            The 3 other hookers in the AB XV were Tyrone Thompson, Riccitelli and George Bell.

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            • BonesB Bones

              @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

              @gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:

              TUG would be a good player for them to look at, if he is ever not injured for long enough.

              A million miles from international quality. His defence is terrible.

              Going down that road though, whose isn't?

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              @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

              @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

              @gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:

              TUG would be a good player for them to look at, if he is ever not injured for long enough.

              A million miles from international quality. His defence is terrible.

              Going down that road though, whose isn't?

              I’d take Goodhue ahead of Havilli or McLeod. Did the Japan tour count for nothing: he was the stand out?

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              • P pakman

                The serious point here is that AB backline functions best with a big body at 12, allowing the option of just trucking the ball up and resetting. Other than Jordie who can fill the bill?

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                @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

                The serious point here is that AB backline functions best with a big body at 12, allowing the option of just trucking the ball up and resetting. Other than Jordie who can fill the bill?

                There was a certain sizeable and older blues player but he may not have impressed them in his brief showing.

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                  Speaking of utility midfielders, Nankivell? Not popular on here though it seems..

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                  • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                    Speaking of utility midfielders, Nankivell? Not popular on here though it seems..

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                    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

                    Speaking of utility midfielders, Nankivell? Not popular on here though it seems..

                    Too many rocks in the bag of diamonds. He needs to reduce his error rate.

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                    • antipodeanA antipodean

                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

                      Speaking of utility midfielders, Nankivell? Not popular on here though it seems..

                      Too many rocks in the bag of diamonds. He needs to reduce his error rate.

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                      @antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:

                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

                      Speaking of utility midfielders, Nankivell? Not popular on here though it seems..

                      Too many rocks in the bag of diamonds. He needs to reduce his error rate.

                      That's the thing though eh, every bloody 12 going either misses too many tackles, makes too many mistakes, doesn't make enough metres post contact or any combination.

                      We really need to grab another fullback for the midfield. Come back Roger.

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                      • BonesB Bones

                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:

                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

                        Speaking of utility midfielders, Nankivell? Not popular on here though it seems..

                        Too many rocks in the bag of diamonds. He needs to reduce his error rate.

                        That's the thing though eh, every bloody 12 going either misses too many tackles, makes too many mistakes, doesn't make enough metres post contact or any combination.

                        We really need to grab another fullback for the midfield. Come back Roger.

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                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:

                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

                        Speaking of utility midfielders, Nankivell? Not popular on here though it seems..

                        Too many rocks in the bag of diamonds. He needs to reduce his error rate.

                        That's the thing though eh, every bloody 12 going either misses too many tackles, makes too many mistakes, doesn't make enough metres post contact or any combination.

                        We really need to grab another fullback for the midfield. Come back Roger.

                        Agreed.

                        Some investments haven’t paid off (yet).

                        Tupaea’s injury was a big one for starters and PUJ not kicking on hasn’t helped.

                        I 100% agree that we don’t have an ideal person waiting, so we’ll need to develop their deficiencies.

                        Given the growth in Rieko at 13, I think we can do that if we choose players who have the right base capability and build on the others that can be developed.

                        In Rieko’s case, we have speed and are working on everything else. At 12, I would say it is gainline then everything else.

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                        • gt12G gt12

                          @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:

                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

                          Speaking of utility midfielders, Nankivell? Not popular on here though it seems..

                          Too many rocks in the bag of diamonds. He needs to reduce his error rate.

                          That's the thing though eh, every bloody 12 going either misses too many tackles, makes too many mistakes, doesn't make enough metres post contact or any combination.

                          We really need to grab another fullback for the midfield. Come back Roger.

                          Agreed.

                          Some investments haven’t paid off (yet).

                          Tupaea’s injury was a big one for starters and PUJ not kicking on hasn’t helped.

                          I 100% agree that we don’t have an ideal person waiting, so we’ll need to develop their deficiencies.

                          Given the growth in Rieko at 13, I think we can do that if we choose players who have the right base capability and build on the others that can be developed.

                          In Rieko’s case, we have speed and are working on everything else. At 12, I would say it is gainline then everything else.

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                          @gt12 I reckon TUJ would be a good starter, but I'd get him to work twice as hard on getting in shape and staying in shape - you might then get a lot more from just the discipline of that.

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                            Be interesting to see how we select for the bok game , I can’t make my mind up whether it’s a play your best side game or an opportunity to get more game time into the second stringers with it being a dead rubber .

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                            • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                              Be interesting to see how we select for the bok game , I can’t make my mind up whether it’s a play your best side game or an opportunity to get more game time into the second stringers with it being a dead rubber .

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                              @kiwiinmelb expect some players thrive off more gametime (Codie Taylor being one, although Sami T looked under done on the weekend due to lack of play) and a few combos likely need to continue to build.

                              So sitting on the fence, I reckon it'll be a mixture, not wanting to show too much.

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                              • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                                Be interesting to see how we select for the bok game , I can’t make my mind up whether it’s a play your best side game or an opportunity to get more game time into the second stringers with it being a dead rubber .

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                                @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2023:

                                Be interesting to see how we select for the bok game , I can’t make my mind up whether it’s a play your best side game or an opportunity to get more game time into the second stringers with it being a dead rubber .

                                You probably don't want to risk playing both Whitelock and S Barrett, or not for a full 80 mins.

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                                  Good game to test possible injury replacements?

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                                    Surely you play the 23 against South Africa you intend to play against France in the opener. Give that selection the best possible chance to be in sync and humming before taking on the tournament co-favourites. If you don't, then our best 23 haven't played together since July 29th for a game on September 9th.

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                                    • WurzelW Wurzel

                                      Surely you play the 23 against South Africa you intend to play against France in the opener. Give that selection the best possible chance to be in sync and humming before taking on the tournament co-favourites. If you don't, then our best 23 haven't played together since July 29th for a game on September 9th.

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                                      @Wurzel said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      Surely you play the 23 against South Africa you intend to play against France in the opener. Give that selection the best possible chance to be in sync and humming before taking on the tournament co-favourites. If you don't, then our best 23 haven't played together since July 29th for a game on September 9th.

                                      I certainly would - with 2 clear weeks following to recover and rest any niggles. If there is anyone they want to give more time to, they should only be guys likely to be on the bench v France. Not the guys there as injury cover as they can have a run against Namibia and Uruguay.

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                                        I'm going, sounds good to me! Hopefully Christie gets a start though, I've heard he's amazing live.

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                                        • BonesB Bones

                                          I'm going, sounds good to me! Hopefully Christie gets a start though, I've heard he's amazing live.

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                                          @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

                                          I'm going, sounds good to me! Hopefully Christie gets a start though, I've heard he's amazing live.

                                          according to the blind and deaf people in the mosh pit, yeah!

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