All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev SB's cleanout wasn't too different to Perth, and we know how that ended up.
You can’t have it both ways. We want guys hitting rucks and clearing bodies. He is our best by a long way. Sure he got it wrong because he had moved to side. But wasn’t dirty. He is the best NZ forward.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev SB's cleanout wasn't too different to Perth, and we know how that ended up.
You can’t have it both ways. We want guys hitting rucks and clearing bodies. He is our best by a long way. Sure he got it wrong because he had moved to side. But wasn’t dirty. He is the best NZ forward.
That was 100% dirty
The YC was the correct decision
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev SB's cleanout wasn't too different to Perth, and we know how that ended up.
You can’t have it both ways. We want guys hitting rucks and clearing bodies. He is our best by a long way. Sure he got it wrong because he had moved to side. But wasn’t dirty. He is the best NZ forward.
That was 100% dirty
The YC was the correct decision
@MiketheSnow what were your thoughts on Kolbes forearm to Roigards head after he scored?
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
https://twitter.com/GregAFC/status/1695194208888332741?s=20
Vermuelen is it? Punching Jacobsen 3 times in the head.
The third of which seemed particularly forceful.
Cane asked Carley about this to which he replied "no foul play" "and to stop holding players in the rucks".
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
https://twitter.com/GregAFC/status/1695194208888332741?s=20
Vermuelen is it? Punching Jacobsen 3 times in the head.
The third of which seemed particularly forceful.
Cane asked Carley about this to which he replied "no foul play" "and to stop holding players in the rucks".
Should have been a penalty to SA
Off your feet, out of the game
Deliberately holding a defender in
From that distance it looked more like slaps and forceful pushes than punches
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@MiketheSnow what were your thoughts on Kolbes forearm to Roigards head after he scored?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow what were your thoughts on Kolbes forearm to Roigards head after he scored?
Didn’t see a replay of it
Came in to dislodge the ball IMHO
If he did hit him in the head then he should have been censured there and then
Could well be cited
Any clips?
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If you couldn’t see the colour of the shirts and didn’t hear the names you’d swear you were watching England
When it’s good it’s very, very good (eg RWC 19 SF), when it’s bad it’s horrid (their warm up matches the past month)
Alarmingly like England there was no Plan B
And as the pressure mounted, instead of grinding it out and kicking the leather off the ball it was all a bit too training ground and fancy
Once that obviously failed then it was a succession of penalties and cards
It’s a simple game
Win possession, control it
Play rugby in the opposition 22
SA did exactly that and cantered home
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow what were your thoughts on Kolbes forearm to Roigards head after he scored?
Didn’t see a replay of it
Came in to dislodge the ball IMHO
If he did hit him in the head then he should have been censured there and then
Could well be cited
Any clips?
@MiketheSnow i havent seen any, however it wasnt a major, but seemed decent contact and seems too many players dive on players, knees first, shoulder, arms or whatever in the act of scoring and are almost always ignored, totally pointless, Kolbe was never dislodging the ball.
Elsewhere on the field, pen for sure.
Barrets act was more boneheaded than filthy IMO.
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@MiketheSnow i havent seen any, however it wasnt a major, but seemed decent contact and seems too many players dive on players, knees first, shoulder, arms or whatever in the act of scoring and are almost always ignored, totally pointless, Kolbe was never dislodging the ball.
Elsewhere on the field, pen for sure.
Barrets act was more boneheaded than filthy IMO.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow i havent seen any, however it wasnt a major, but seemed decent contact and seems too many players dive on players, knees first, shoulder, arms or whatever in the act of scoring and are almost always ignored, totally pointless, Kolbe was never dislodging the ball.
Barrets act was more boneheaded than filthy IMO.
Agreed
One of my pet peeves
Borderline interpretation of Scooter
The end result was dirty
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Haven't finished the game
Haven't read the threadI assume everyone is taking the advantage to blame this on Ian Foster
That's deluded. This is 100% an individual performance issue. The players let themselves down very fucking badly tonight. Very fucking badly. Dumb fucking penalties, missed tackles, missed ruck assignments, dropped balls. Have a look in the fucking mirror boys because you let your coaches down today.
@mariner4life I agree that it’s with the players, but the management are either coaching or allowing it to happen.
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If the ABs do play the Boks in a knockout game - then in the days leading up Foster needs to front up to the media and go on the offensive about their players time wasting. And then Cane needs to get at the ref aggressively before the game has even started.
Nice guys will finish last in the next couple months.
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If the ABs do play the Boks in a knockout game - then in the days leading up Foster needs to front up to the media and go on the offensive about their players time wasting. And then Cane needs to get at the ref aggressively before the game has even started.
Nice guys will finish last in the next couple months.
@game_film The All Blacks need to rethink their media strategy and fast. It was utterly pathetic in the lead up to this game. So much to learn from Razzie Erasmus, Andy Farrell and Eddie Jones.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
jordan was not flash in dunedin. not sticking up forBB just saying
Hasn't been given anywhere near enough time in the saddle at 15.
Did we really need to see this much of Beaudy, Aaron Smith, Savea, Coles for example over the last two years?
4 years on from the last World Cup dual pivot debacle and we still have Beaudy at 15, ALB still floating around, a winger at 13, Aaron Smith being played into the ground. No back up locks. No one with any meaningful minutes at 8 other than Savea. Next cab off the rank is Sotutu and he was jettisoned. Then Sowakula and he was Jettisoned. No one with meaningful minutes at 7 this year other than Cane and we have had locks playing at 6 on and off until the last few matches.
DMAC is in, plays well then he is out. Samisoni is in, plays well, then he is out. Leicester is in , plays well and then he is out, Finau is in, plays well and then he is out.
Its doing them all a disservice.
I still don't know what to make of Jacobsen. I feel he hasn't had enough of a go.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I still don't know what to make of Jacobsen. I feel he hasn't had enough of a go.
He's displayed enough to show he isn't an option in the starting 6 jersey.
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@MiketheSnow i havent seen any, however it wasnt a major, but seemed decent contact and seems too many players dive on players, knees first, shoulder, arms or whatever in the act of scoring and are almost always ignored, totally pointless, Kolbe was never dislodging the ball.
Elsewhere on the field, pen for sure.
Barrets act was more boneheaded than filthy IMO.
@taniwharugby yes boneheaded. No video evidence that the impact was head but cleaning out a guy on the ground is never a good look. But against that is I have never thought of Scott as dirty player. Just someone that hits hard, runs hard, has a huge motor, creates momentum with whatever he does. Sometimes in a contact sport played at high speed, it goes wrong. I think some of the the comments about players intelligence and intent on here miss the mark - but understandable when we lose
. Generally I would say there are very few dirty players or even dirty actions in todays game - the guys know each other. However, we do want all the players to improve technique and make good decisions so he will add that to the things he needs to work on. Still my favourite Barrett by some distance. -
@taniwharugby yes boneheaded. No video evidence that the impact was head but cleaning out a guy on the ground is never a good look. But against that is I have never thought of Scott as dirty player. Just someone that hits hard, runs hard, has a huge motor, creates momentum with whatever he does. Sometimes in a contact sport played at high speed, it goes wrong. I think some of the the comments about players intelligence and intent on here miss the mark - but understandable when we lose
. Generally I would say there are very few dirty players or even dirty actions in todays game - the guys know each other. However, we do want all the players to improve technique and make good decisions so he will add that to the things he needs to work on. Still my favourite Barrett by some distance.@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I have never thought of Scott as dirty player
3 red cards in 4 years? Just unlucky?
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I have never thought of Scott as dirty player
3 red cards in 4 years? Just unlucky?
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I have never thought of Scott as dirty player
3 red cards in 4 years? Just unlucky?
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I have never thought of Scott as dirty player
3 red cards in 4 years? Just unlucky?
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I have never thought of Scott as dirty player
3 red cards in 4 years? Just unlucky?
He hits more rucks, and looks to dominate in a contact sport better than anyone else in NZ. The reason he gets those is by the nature of the game - rucks and mauls where his job is to clean and dominate tackles. You cannot play tough in todays game and not get cards. Just wish the rest of our forward pack were as good.
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@nzzp slow learner...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@nzzp slow learner...
Concrete technician is the official term I think according to @mariner4life
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I have never thought of Scott as dirty player
3 red cards in 4 years? Just unlucky?
He hits more rucks, and looks to dominate in a contact sport better than anyone else in NZ. The reason he gets those is by the nature of the game - rucks and mauls where his job is to clean and dominate tackles. You cannot play tough in todays game and not get cards. Just wish the rest of our forward pack were as good.
Yep we need some hard hitting forwards not powder puffs, give me Barrett over Vai any day.
We will get muted in the WC if we don't stand up and be physical and hit hard back.Bit of bad luck for Barrett pushed over for the 2nd yellow and the first a team yellow.
Still he has to be smarter to be fair. -
If the ABs do play the Boks in a knockout game - then in the days leading up Foster needs to front up to the media and go on the offensive about their players time wasting. And then Cane needs to get at the ref aggressively before the game has even started.
Nice guys will finish last in the next couple months.
@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
If the ABs do play the Boks in a knockout game - then in the days leading up Foster needs to front up to the media and go on the offensive about their players time wasting. And then Cane needs to get at the ref aggressively before the game has even started.
Nice guys will finish last in the next couple months.
Absolutely agree.
It's like they want to win the prize for the nicest team.
Fozzie and Sam - the noble losers.For South Africa - their borderline offside defence.
For Ireland - their decoy runners causing obstruction.
For France - their hairy arm pit women.
