All Blacks 2023
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Removing BB from 15 may do two things
Get a possibly better FB in there (i say maybe because there is no evidence he's actually better at test level)
Get BB out of the fucking way and let RM run the side, which just might give some clarity to proceedings, with one guy in charge.Of course we don't know if RM can run it all himself, and we don't know if Jordan is actually a better test FB. And the change in approach of that size would be enormous for a QF.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B I admire your straw clutching (and your Julius Caesar reference!). Let’s agree then that Foz really is playing the long, long game and has a hidden reserve of smarts to even outfox the wily likes of Andy Farrell, Fabian Galthie and Rassie Erasmus.
If he pulls all that off - silences doubters like me - and coaches the ABs to win the whole thing, he may justly claim Wayne Smith’s title as Uber Professor of Rugby.
But let’s (carpe diem) and beat Italy first.
I didn't read all those Asterix books for nothing!
As earlier, I'm refusing to entertain the prospect of losing to Italy - I'm slightly concerned that if we don't make short work of them, the wily Galthie may spot an opportunity to engineer a final round result that gets rid of us. That would be a very French thing.
In the meantime, I'm going to continue with strong hopes, because at least I'll have an extra month of joy compared to those who've already sunk into despair!
@Chris-B From the country whose secret service agents stole into NZ and bombed the Rainbow Warrior, that would not surprise me.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
As much as I hate wishing injury on a player, I think our only chance of getting past the QF stage is for Christie and Beauden to get injured. Injury has been the greatest selector over the last 4 years under Foster and one can only hope that it will help us again over the next few weeks.
With all due respect, Ginga and BB could both die in tragic cheese and/or baguette related accidents tommorrow and it probably won't change a thing. The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
At least Roigard off the bench and Jordan at fullback will give us a bit more punch on attack. Even with those changes we only have a low to moderate chance of winning our QF, and that's only if we get Ireland. We have no chance of beating the Boks.
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
As much as I hate wishing injury on a player, I think our only chance of getting past the QF stage is for Christie and Beauden to get injured. Injury has been the greatest selector over the last 4 years under Foster and one can only hope that it will help us again over the next few weeks.
With all due respect, Ginga and BB could both die in tragic cheese and/or baguette related accidents tommorrow and it probably won't change a thing. The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
At least Roigard off the bench and Jordan at fullback will give us a bit more punch on attack. Even with those changes we only have a low to moderate chance of winning our QF, and that's only if we get Ireland. We have no chance of beating the Boks.
It would be arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic IMHO. The place we need more punch is in the forwards.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2023:
If he pulls all that off - silences doubters like me - and coaches the ABs to win the whole thing, he may justly claim Wayne Smith’s title as Uber Professor of Rugby.
how?! how can people be so willing for forget all the other shit, surely if he was to win the whole thing is more of a fluke, the weird draw/seeding and probably some individual moment of brilliance scaping home...hardly anything he's actually done, his whole game plan is kind of "dont have agame plan, vibe it out on the pitch"
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
He certainly hasn't prepared like the France game was a major priority - we went into that significantly underdone,
do we really think we have the ability to go from "significantly underdone" to knockout rugby winners in three games against teams like Namibia and Uruguay
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2023:
If he pulls all that off - silences doubters like me - and coaches the ABs to win the whole thing, he may justly claim Wayne Smith’s title as Uber Professor of Rugby.
how?! how can people be so willing for forget all the other shit, surely if he was to win the whole thing is more of a fluke, the weird draw/seeding and probably some individual moment of brilliance scaping home...hardly anything he's actually done, his whole game plan is kind of "dont have agame plan, vibe it out on the pitch"
I was joking.
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It could just be my perception, but one thing I notice is that other sides seem to be able to almost endlessly and effortlessly recycle possession. The ball security and cleanout are very good. Yet when we go the pick and drive it's almost the expectation that there will be a fůck up at some critical point. Just look at the weekend. That shit used to be an AB strength.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
As much as I hate wishing injury on a player, I think our only chance of getting past the QF stage is for Christie and Beauden to get injured. Injury has been the greatest selector over the last 4 years under Foster and one can only hope that it will help us again over the next few weeks.
With all due respect, Ginga and BB could both die in tragic cheese and/or baguette related accidents tommorrow and it probably won't change a thing. The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
At least Roigard off the bench and Jordan at fullback will give us a bit more punch on attack. Even with those changes we only have a low to moderate chance of winning our QF, and that's only if we get Ireland. We have no chance of beating the Boks.
It would be arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic IMHO. The place we need more punch is in the forwards.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
As much as I hate wishing injury on a player, I think our only chance of getting past the QF stage is for Christie and Beauden to get injured. Injury has been the greatest selector over the last 4 years under Foster and one can only hope that it will help us again over the next few weeks.
With all due respect, Ginga and BB could both die in tragic cheese and/or baguette related accidents tommorrow and it probably won't change a thing. The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
At least Roigard off the bench and Jordan at fullback will give us a bit more punch on attack. Even with those changes we only have a low to moderate chance of winning our QF, and that's only if we get Ireland. We have no chance of beating the Boks.
It would be arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic IMHO. The place we need more punch is in the forwards.
But, we should get that with the return of Lomax, Retallick, Frizell, Cane - and probably Blackadder.
de Groot, Taylor, Lomax
Retallick, Barrett
Frizell, Cane
SaveaSami T., Tu'ungafasi, Laulala, Whitelock, Blackadder.
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Removing BB from 15 may do two things
Get a possibly better FB in there (i say maybe because there is no evidence he's actually better at test level)
Get BB out of the fucking way and let RM run the side, which just might give some clarity to proceedings, with one guy in charge.Of course we don't know if RM can run it all himself, and we don't know if Jordan is actually a better test FB. And the change in approach of that size would be enormous for a QF.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
As much as I hate wishing injury on a player, I think our only chance of getting past the QF stage is for Christie and Beauden to get injured. Injury has been the greatest selector over the last 4 years under Foster and one can only hope that it will help us again over the next few weeks.
With all due respect, Ginga and BB could both die in tragic cheese and/or baguette related accidents tommorrow and it probably won't change a thing. The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
Maybe, but 9 is key to our play, and the 15 is a part-time 10-I think these positions are crucial and (at least on attack) the daylight between our best 9 and 15* and the second best is Nordic arctic summer strength.
*If you agree with me BB is not the best 15.
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I would rather do it drop Barrett and put Jordan to FB than serve up the same dross in the QF then wonder if it would have improved things, nothing to lose as I see it.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
I would rather do it drop Barrett and put Jordan to FB than serve up the same dross in the QF then wonder if it would have improved things, nothing to lose as I see it.
Seconded, I am all for a new form of dross!
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
I would rather do it drop Barrett and put Jordan to FB than serve up the same dross in the QF then wonder if it would have improved things, nothing to lose as I see it.
Seconded, I am all for a new form of dross!
@nostrildamus
Some different dross can be better than the current dross,Not all dross is the same. -
@nostrildamus
Some different dross can be better than the current dross,Not all dross is the same. -
@Chris Perhaps they can rename themselves the ‘All Dross’ and replace the haka with a rendition of The Bus Stop?
I like it
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
Maybe, but 9 is key to our play, and the 15 is a part-time 10-I think these positions are crucial and (at least on attack) the daylight between our best 9 and 15* and the second best is Nordic arctic summer strength.
*If you agree with me BB is not the best 15.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
Maybe, but 9 is key to our play, and the 15 is a part-time 10-I think these positions are crucial and (at least on attack) the daylight between our best 9 and 15* and the second best is Nordic arctic summer strength.
*If you agree with me BB is not the best 15.
Again, ditch BB for Jordan and Redhaired Abomination for CR and do you reckon it would make much difference last weekend? RM has also been allowed to be sole playmaker in some tests and that also made no difference. Although I don't think he's been 10 with Jordan at 15.
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@nostrildamus
Some different dross can be better than the current dross,Not all dross is the same.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus
Some different dross can be better than the current dross,Not all dross is the same.Oh I meant it, any other dross is preferable to this learnings slop! I was just thinking this morning if the ABs XV led by DMac coached by Razor played the ABs last lineup led by Foster-who would win...probably the ABs in the forwards ..but overall?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
The issues run much deeper and wider than just the 15 and reserve 9.
Maybe, but 9 is key to our play, and the 15 is a part-time 10-I think these positions are crucial and (at least on attack) the daylight between our best 9 and 15* and the second best is Nordic arctic summer strength.
*If you agree with me BB is not the best 15.
Again, ditch BB for Jordan and Redhaired Abomination for CR and do you reckon it would make much difference last weekend? RM has also been allowed to be sole playmaker in some tests and that also made no difference. Although I don't think he's been 10 with Jordan at 15.
@Rancid-Schnitzel Moving Jordan to FB also brings Leicester into the 15, and he offers more punch around the rucks than most of our forwards do.
I don't know, I'm just desperate for something to change as the current formula is not working.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2023:
If he pulls all that off - silences doubters like me - and coaches the ABs to win the whole thing, he may justly claim Wayne Smith’s title as Uber Professor of Rugby.
how?! how can people be so willing for forget all the other shit, surely if he was to win the whole thing is more of a fluke, the weird draw/seeding and probably some individual moment of brilliance scaping home...hardly anything he's actually done, his whole game plan is kind of "dont have agame plan, vibe it out on the pitch"
I was joking.
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2023:
If he pulls all that off - silences doubters like me - and coaches the ABs to win the whole thing, he may justly claim Wayne Smith’s title as Uber Professor of Rugby.
how?! how can people be so willing for forget all the other shit, surely if he was to win the whole thing is more of a fluke, the weird draw/seeding and probably some individual moment of brilliance scaping home...hardly anything he's actually done, his whole game plan is kind of "dont have agame plan, vibe it out on the pitch"
I was joking.
apologies, have seen it said with a straight face byt others and i just find it amazing
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Those expecting/hoping for significant change are in for disappointment. Chris's excellent latin saying is on the money. BB will play fullback, and do 60% of the first receiver stuff. The first choice we al identified months ago will play injury-permitting. We're going out at the quarter, and we can close this shitshow out.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
Those expecting/hoping for significant change are in for disappointment. Chris's excellent latin saying is on the money. BB will play fullback, and do 60% of the first receiver stuff. The first choice we al identified months ago will play injury-permitting. We're going out at the quarter, and we can close this shitshow out.
I think that is one of the bigger problems we have....he shouldn't be anywhere near the 1st receiver ... considering his preference for low percentage plays and shitty kicks.....I really feel it damages the ability of Mounga (or Dmac) controlling the game ..
My preference for him would be reserve orange peeler...but if he must play..
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Removing BB from 15 may do two things
Get a possibly better FB in there (i say maybe because there is no evidence he's actually better at test level)
Get BB out of the fucking way and let RM run the side, which just might give some clarity to proceedings, with one guy in charge.Of course we don't know if RM can run it all himself, and we don't know if Jordan is actually a better test FB. And the change in approach of that size would be enormous for a QF.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
Removing BB from 15 may do two things
Get a possibly better FB in there (i say maybe because there is no evidence he's actually better at test level)
Get BB out of the fucking way and let RM run the side, which just might give some clarity to proceedings, with one guy in charge.Of course we don't know if RM can run it all himself, and we don't know if Jordan is actually a better test FB. And the change in approach of that size would be enormous for a QF.
i would be slightly reassured thought that its not a combination that they have formed in the AB's, theyre not two players from different super teams, RM was the one making a lot of the passes that Jordan burst onto in that highlight video
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Moving Jordan to FB also brings Leicester into the 15, and he offers more punch around the rucks than most of our forwards do.
I don't know, I'm just desperate for something to change as the current formula is not working.
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Moving Jordan to FB also brings Leicester into the 15, and he offers more punch around the rucks than most of our forwards do.
I don't know, I'm just desperate for something to change as the current formula is not working.
but leicester turns like a old tug on defence
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BB is playing the gameplan... Will Jordan's big weakness is kicking and people want to play him at fullback? I don't follow. The modern-day game is one in the air, by working good competitive kicks, and kicking well for territory.
The hatred towards Barrett these days is a little bit bizarre. People are holding him up to unrealistic standards, watch that game without any knowledge of that New Zealand side, and I'm not really sure you'd come away with fullback as being the big issue.
Lack of punch from the bench, and the majority of our starting forwards, and a poor game from Will Jordan rate is far bigger issues for mine.
