All Blacks 2023

sparky

@reprobate EDG is certain not to be available.

reprobate

@sparky yeah i know. hopefully QF (in hope that he gets 2 games off). couldn't really be arsed thinking about props because i'm not exactly stoked with our back-up props. the old ones look shit and the new ones look like it's too early.

sparky

@Machpants Ofa T had a good game last night.

I can’t see Foster picking anyone but BB at fullback. He’s not a bad player but he is not the phenomenon he was 7 or 8 years ago. Something went wrong after he left the Canes.

sparky

@reprobate I think our props will be fine against Italy.

Against South Africa or Ireland? That’s more of a problem.

reprobate

@sparky Ofa gave away multiple penalties. sure he dominated the Namibian scrum, and you can only play who you're up against - but that's not much to write home about.
I don't really understand why Beauden played this game. I was thinking it was either Foster trying to get his confidence back, or maybe he is going to drop him. The latter is probably just wishful thinking though as it would be pretty bizarre given Jordan just played his worst game in black and McKenzie hasn't been given bugger all time at 15.

Machpants

@sparky said in All Blacks 2023:

@Machpants Ofa T had a good game last night.

I can’t see Foster picking anyone but BB at fullback. He’s not a bad player but he is not the phenomenon he was 7 or 8 years ago. Something went wrong after he left the Canes.

1m run, 2 turn overs, couple of penalties. And fuck all else, no Ofa (apart from his cool SBW pass) was shit

booboo

@sparky said in All Blacks 2023:

@Machpants Ofa T had a good game last night.

He did, and you'd expect Groot to be stood down.

Old Samurai Jack

BB is really off his game and has been for a long time. The problems at the Blues replicate themselves at the ABs when he is playing. Was a great player but now is trying too hard and involving himself too much to the detriment of the ABs. It was time to move on 2 seasons ago.

voodoo

@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

EDG

Samisoni

Lomax

Barrett

Whitelock/Retallick

Frizzel

Blackadder

Savea

Smith

McKenzie

Telea

Barrett

Ioane

Fainganuku

Jordan

Taylor/Coles, whoever - props are shit, Whitelock/Retallick, Cane, Dalton, Mounga, Roigard.

What is this tripe?

A prop likely to be suspended, another still injured. A 7 that’s not really a 7, an injured 6.

A new 10, and playing LF on the right.

A bench with 2 x 7’s but no midfield or outside backs

I have zero idea what this post is trying to say

nostrildamus

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

EDG

Samisoni

Lomax

Barrett

Whitelock/Retallick

Frizzel

Blackadder

Savea

Smith

McKenzie

Telea

Barrett

Ioane

Fainganuku

Jordan

Taylor/Coles, whoever - props are shit, Whitelock/Retallick, Cane, Dalton, Mounga, Roigard.

What is this tripe?

A prop likely to be suspended, another still injured. A 7 that’s not really a 7, an injured 6.

A new 10, and playing LF on the right.

A bench with 2 x 7’s but no midfield or outside backs

I have zero idea what this post is trying to say

It's all hopeless so roll the dice and at least make our early exit something to complain about?!

reprobate

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

EDG

Samisoni

Lomax

Barrett

Whitelock/Retallick

Frizzel

Blackadder

Savea

Smith

McKenzie

Telea

Barrett

Ioane

Fainganuku

Jordan

Taylor/Coles, whoever - props are shit, Whitelock/Retallick, Cane, Dalton, Mounga, Roigard.

What is this tripe?

A prop likely to be suspended, another still injured. A 7 that’s not really a 7, an injured 6.

A new 10, and playing LF on the right.

A bench with 2 x 7’s but no midfield or outside backs

I have zero idea what this post is trying to say

It's all hopeless so roll the dice and at least make our early exit something to complain about?!

That's pretty close, yep. just substitute 'to complain about' for 'worth watching'.
As for the lack of back cover - the boks think it is worth the gamble, and our 10,12,13 are all outside backs. Yeah, if 12 or 13 go down then LF is not a great midfield option, but neither are Havili or ALB great off the bench.

gt12

@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

EDG

Samisoni

Lomax

Barrett

Whitelock/Retallick

Frizzel

Blackadder

Savea

Smith

McKenzie

Telea

Barrett

Ioane

Fainganuku

Jordan

Taylor/Coles, whoever - props are shit, Whitelock/Retallick, Cane, Dalton, Mounga, Roigard.

What is this tripe?

A prop likely to be suspended, another still injured. A 7 that’s not really a 7, an injured 6.

A new 10, and playing LF on the right.

A bench with 2 x 7’s but no midfield or outside backs

I have zero idea what this post is trying to say

It's all hopeless so roll the dice and at least make our early exit something to complain about?!

That's pretty close, yep. just substitute 'to complain about' for 'worth watching'.
As for the lack of back cover - the boks think it is worth the gamble, and our 10,12,13 are all outside backs. Yeah, if 12 or 13 go down then LF is not a great midfield option, but neither are Havili or ALB great off the bench.

I do agree with that last sentence. We miss Tupaea, he would make a nice squaddie right now.

Edit: I would have picked Heem - he could fit in anywhere and hasn’t let anyone down for a couple of seasons.

taniwharugby

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rugby-world-cup-2023/2023/09/rugby-world-cup-all-blacks-prop-tyrel-lomax-feared-tournament-was-over-after-needing-30-stitches-from-gruesome-cut-against-south-africa.html

frugby

So if I am correct, should we come 2nd in the Pool, it is likely we will need to play Ireland/SA then England, then Ireland/SA/France to win the thing?

Absolutely no chance, if you have money on, cash out now.

taniwharugby

@frugby If we pull one out of the hat and tip over Ireland/SA, which we are capable of, then we have a good chance to get past England, then the final...

Knock out footy is different.

frugby

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:

@frugby If we pull one out of the hat and tip over Ireland/SA, which we are capable of, then we have a good chance to get past England, then the final...

Knock out footy is different.

Yeah but this is the point. If we win this, and then we win that, we could possibly win this. We aren't talking about certainties. This is an inconsistent side which won't turn up for three hard games in a row, not a chance.

The only way we were really going to win the RWC IMO was if we beat France first up, got a down on form Ireland/an over-achieving RSA in the QFs, then a bumbling England/Aussie in the semis, before the final.

England are playing sensible footy, and are defending extremally well. On the unlikely chance we get past SA or Ireland, I would think England do us as they did four years ago, because we haven't learnt any lessons.

voodoo

@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:

So if I am correct, should we come 2nd in the Pool, it is likely we will need to play Ireland/SA then England, then Ireland/SA/France to win the thing?

Absolutely no chance, if you have money on, cash out now.

No, we flipped by losing to France

If we make the SF, it'll be against the winner of C (Wales/Oz/Fiji) and runner up D (Argentina / Samoa)

So we avoid England now

frugby

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:

So if I am correct, should we come 2nd in the Pool, it is likely we will need to play Ireland/SA then England, then Ireland/SA/France to win the thing?

Absolutely no chance, if you have money on, cash out now.

No, we flipped by losing to France

If we make the SF, it'll be against the winner of C (Wales/Oz/Fiji) and runner up D (Argentina / Samoa)

So we avoid England now

Oh so slightly better then... you'd like to think that if we sneak through the quarters we should be able to make the final then... I still do have visions though, of the Aussies fumbling their way to the semis, and watching us crumble like a cookie.

taniwharugby

@frugby well every one has permutations requiring on if we win this/that...when has it ever been certain? It aint certain for Ireland/SA/France who are all the favorites right now either.

I do believe we have a good chance, but all the stars need to align and we start playing more consistently instead of 10 or 20 min patches of good rugby.

nostrildamus

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rugby-world-cup-2023/2023/09/rugby-world-cup-all-blacks-prop-tyrel-lomax-feared-tournament-was-over-after-needing-30-stitches-from-gruesome-cut-against-south-africa.html

30 stitches? Did they do anything about those boots? If not, that is shocking.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks 2023