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RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy

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  • Dan54D Dan54

    @taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @Bovidae yeah I said a few weeks ago I thought they had 'played' him out of form, such a shame as his (in form) style is certainly what we need v the likes of Ireland and SA.

    I not sure I have see ST look real good all year, I wonder if he either having 2nd/3rd year yips, or more likely he just doesn't scare big physical teams like the Boks etc. Just my kind of take lineout wonks and not real convinced on his scrumming, he will come right, but I don't have a problem with Colesy getting 20 minutes ahead of him, and think it's a coin toss almost.

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    @Dan54 guess the difference is CT got numerous chances to play back into form after an average super season, ST doesn't seem to have been afforded the same opportunity

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      @nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

      I have just twigged on Foster's genius, 3-4 years of incredibly predictable teams then once/if into the sudden death games: complete change in selections and tactics, brilliant! (Holds fingers in front of eyes).

      How for so?
      Hasn't he been criticised for not settling on a team?
      And now he's picked a first XXIII he's predictable?
      And that's somehow a complete change in selections?

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      @booboo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

      @nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

      I have just twigged on Foster's genius, 3-4 years of incredibly predictable teams then once/if into the sudden death games: complete change in selections and tactics, brilliant! (Holds fingers in front of eyes).

      How for so?
      Hasn't he been criticised for not settling on a team?
      And now he's picked a first XXIII he's predictable?
      And that's somehow a complete change in selections?

      a little bit of hope and a big dash of sarcasm

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      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

        for the most part, not alot to disagree with in that, just need some boys to fire!

        On Samisoni, I personally feel that he is just one of those players that needs to be playing rugby, getting small minutes off the bench isn't conducive to getting the best out of him, but by the same token, what do you do if his form in those limited minutes isn't upto expectation.

        What I'd like to see is discipline and a consistent kicking (and chasing) effort, these are key to the ABs progressing, the rest will fall into place if they get those things right.

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        @taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

        On Samisoni, I personally feel that he is just one of those players that needs to be playing rugby, getting small minutes off the bench isn't conducive to getting the best out of him, but by the same token, what do you do if his form in those limited minutes isn't upto expectation.

        It's pretty telling that Taylor was given every fucking chance in the world to get some semblance of form back. The same clearly doesn't apply to Taukieaho even though if he was to get his form back he's a better player. Taylor one of the ones to stand up for Foster in the ranks?

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          @BerniesCorner Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls. Just a shame he was the only guy in NZ who would have dropped Ben Smith.

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          @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls

          Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?

          Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

            @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls

            Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?

            Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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            @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls

            Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?

            Dumb, dumb, dumb.

            I saw an interview with Hansen recently,

            He said the biggest mistake he made in the preparation for that game was to create a happy positive vibe in camp through the week. He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

            And in the end they lacked the fire in the belly they had the week before . Talked about it like it was his biggest regret in coaching and would love that time again .

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            • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls

              Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?

              Dumb, dumb, dumb.

              I saw an interview with Hansen recently,

              He said the biggest mistake he made in the preparation for that game was to create a happy positive vibe in camp through the week. He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

              And in the end they lacked the fire in the belly they had the week before . Talked about it like it was his biggest regret in coaching and would love that time again .

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              @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls

              Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?

              Dumb, dumb, dumb.

              I saw an interview with Hansen recently,

              He said the biggest mistake he made in the preparation for that game was to create a happy positive vibe in camp through the week. He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

              And in the end they lacked the fire in the belly they had the week before . Talked about it like it was his biggest regret in coaching and would love that time again .

              Hopefully he'd recognise his other mistakes and rectify those too and he truly doesn't belief being happy was the main reason!

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              • NepiaN Nepia

                @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls

                Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?

                Dumb, dumb, dumb.

                I saw an interview with Hansen recently,

                He said the biggest mistake he made in the preparation for that game was to create a happy positive vibe in camp through the week. He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

                And in the end they lacked the fire in the belly they had the week before . Talked about it like it was his biggest regret in coaching and would love that time again .

                Hopefully he'd recognise his other mistakes and rectify those too and he truly doesn't belief being happy was the main reason!

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                @Nepia yeah, when you select a lock at 6 in order to provide lineout height... probably a good idea to get the team to actually challenge the lineout.

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                • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                  @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                  Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls

                  Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?

                  Dumb, dumb, dumb.

                  I saw an interview with Hansen recently,

                  He said the biggest mistake he made in the preparation for that game was to create a happy positive vibe in camp through the week. He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

                  And in the end they lacked the fire in the belly they had the week before . Talked about it like it was his biggest regret in coaching and would love that time again .

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                  @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                  He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

                  The irony is Read was very much hanging on by 2019.

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                  • BonesB Bones

                    @Nepia yeah, when you select a lock at 6 in order to provide lineout height... probably a good idea to get the team to actually challenge the lineout.

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                    @Bones said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                    @Nepia yeah, when you select a lock at 7 in order to provide lineout height... probably a good idea to get the team to actually challenge the lineout.

                    Might want to ponder whether the slow moving distributor is the best guy for the wing too.

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                      He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

                      The irony is Read was very much hanging on by 2019.

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                      @KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                      @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                      He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

                      The irony is Read was very much hanging on by 2019.

                      Yep, might not have been much of a big deal if he wasn't available.

                      Diving into my foxhole now.

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                      • NepiaN Nepia

                        @KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                        @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                        He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

                        The irony is Read was very much hanging on by 2019.

                        Yep, might not have been much of a big deal if he wasn't available.

                        Diving into my foxhole now.

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                        @Nepia said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                        @KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                        @kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                        He said they thought they were going to lose Reid through injury and he was worried heads would drop so created an upbeat atmosphere.

                        The irony is Read was very much hanging on by 2019.

                        Yep, might not have been much of a big deal if he wasn't available.

                        Diving into my foxhole now.

                        Strange thing is that I agree with this & think it applies to Cane as well.

                        Yet, I think we would have done better vs France if Cane had played.

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                          https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=675740674504031

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                            Awesome, we're now RWC favourites 'cos DMAAAAAAAAAAAC!

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                              Awesome, we're now RWC favourites 'cos DMAAAAAAAAAAAC!

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                              @Machpants

                              FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.

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                                @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls

                                Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?

                                Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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                                @Victor-Meldrew Said they were big, didn’t say they were good!

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                                • NepiaN Nepia

                                  @game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                  @BerniesCorner Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls. Just a shame he was the only guy in NZ who would have dropped Ben Smith.

                                  I don't think credit should be given for big stupid selection calls.

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                                  @Nepia We all know how it panned out and were sceptical beforehand about trying to counter the English pack instead of saying ‘this is us, try and beat us’. But he put his business on the table. Rightly or wrongly, he had the grapefruits to make the big call. May not like it, but I’ll respect it.

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    The mismanagement of ST is a black mark on teh coaching group. Leading up to the trot around against Namibia he has played the equivalent of two games since the Super Rugby final. Two fucking games

                                    Taylor is just so very ordinary. ST should be a point of difference in our pack, instead he's left to wither on the vine as an inferior player racks up minute after average minute.

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                                    @mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                    The mismanagement of ST is a black mark on teh coaching group. Leading up to the trot around against Namibia he has played the equivalent of two games since the Super Rugby final. Two fucking games

                                    Taylor is just so very ordinary. ST should be a point of difference in our pack, instead he's left to wither on the vine as an inferior player racks up minute after average minute.

                                    Totally agree with this. Will be very interesting to see what Razor does next year with a lot of this squad gone.

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                                    • ChrisC Chris

                                      @Machpants

                                      FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.

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                                      @Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                      @Machpants

                                      FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.

                                      https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6289/rwc-week-4-all-blacks-v-italy/111?_=1695876800862

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                                        @Machpants

                                        FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.

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                                        @Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                        @Machpants

                                        FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.

                                        Are you saying he’s even better than Ethan Blackadder ?

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                                        • MN5M MN5

                                          @Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                          @Machpants

                                          FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.

                                          Are you saying he’s even better than Ethan Blackadder ?

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                                          @MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                          @Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                          @Machpants

                                          FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.

                                          Are you saying he’s even better than Ethan Blackadder ?

                                          Now you're being silly, Schrödinger's loose forward is immeasurable.

                                          Anyway nothing on fifty minute frizzle

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