RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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@game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls
Like playing Scooter at 6 to dominate the English lineout in the semi?
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
@Victor-Meldrew Said they were big, didn’t say they were good!
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@game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@BerniesCorner Credit to Hansen in 2019 he actually made some big selection calls. Just a shame he was the only guy in NZ who would have dropped Ben Smith.
I don't think credit should be given for big stupid selection calls.
@Nepia We all know how it panned out and were sceptical beforehand about trying to counter the English pack instead of saying ‘this is us, try and beat us’. But he put his business on the table. Rightly or wrongly, he had the grapefruits to make the big call. May not like it, but I’ll respect it.
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The mismanagement of ST is a black mark on teh coaching group. Leading up to the trot around against Namibia he has played the equivalent of two games since the Super Rugby final. Two fucking games
Taylor is just so very ordinary. ST should be a point of difference in our pack, instead he's left to wither on the vine as an inferior player racks up minute after average minute.
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
The mismanagement of ST is a black mark on teh coaching group. Leading up to the trot around against Namibia he has played the equivalent of two games since the Super Rugby final. Two fucking games
Taylor is just so very ordinary. ST should be a point of difference in our pack, instead he's left to wither on the vine as an inferior player racks up minute after average minute.
Totally agree with this. Will be very interesting to see what Razor does next year with a lot of this squad gone.
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FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6289/rwc-week-4-all-blacks-v-italy/111?_=1695876800862
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FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.
Are you saying he’s even better than Ethan Blackadder ?
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.
Are you saying he’s even better than Ethan Blackadder ?
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.
Are you saying he’s even better than Ethan Blackadder ?
Now you're being silly, Schrödinger's loose forward is immeasurable.
Anyway nothing on fifty minute frizzle
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.
Are you saying he’s even better than Ethan Blackadder ?
Now you're being silly, Schrödinger's loose forward is immeasurable.
Anyway nothing on fifty minute frizzle
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
FFS that is getting really silly, Jesus D MAC they are clutching at straws.
Are you saying he’s even better than Ethan Blackadder ?
Now you're being silly, Schrödinger's loose forward is immeasurable.
Anyway nothing on fifty minute frizzle
I had to google what this meant
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Mo'unga out means DMac to ten, and havili to the bench, I reckon
Why would we have Havili and ALB on the bench?
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O'Gara thinks the ABs can "surprise people and go all the way" if they are "more aggressive with their 'D'". So he obviously thinks the standard of cattle is good enough
Given he has experienced NZ rugby, he knows the quality NZ possess. The quip about the 'D' is a dig towards the coaches. I remember he had similar conversations with Robertson and the Crusaders players in his time there about moving them away from man-watching to ball-watching. -
O'Gara thinks the ABs can "surprise people and go all the way" if they are "more aggressive with their 'D'". So he obviously thinks the standard of cattle is good enough
Given he has experienced NZ rugby, he knows the quality NZ possess. The quip about the 'D' is a dig towards the coaches. I remember he had similar conversations with Robertson and the Crusaders players in his time there about moving them away from man-watching to ball-watching."the opposition’s going to have too much possession and be able to fire too many shots. They probably have to defend a lot of players with X-factor". O'Gara
Pretty much what we've seen in the last 7-10 years or so. Other countries have better players than before and much better player development plans. Just look at France U20 development and the changes made to Irish rugby.
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O'Gara has more defensive insight than the ABs? Yikes. Could be true but oh so ironic.
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Nice article on Whitelock.
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As an off topic statement as long as we hold our discipline and play with passion we can compete with any of the sides. The one area I am not so sure about is the SA bomb squad scrum. That is some serious sh*t to deal with.
@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
As an off topic statement as long as we hold our discipline and play with passion we can compete with any of the sides. The one area I am not so sure about is the SA bomb squad scrum. That is some serious sh*t to deal with.
Reasonably comforatble that Ofa/Coles/Nepo with BBBR and Big Sam/Scooter behind them will hold their own.
Not many RWC sides have two good scrummaging THs. -
We're not alone in this though, there wouldn't be a team in the world with a like-for-like replacement in every spot. Every team is a couple of key injuries or form drops from falling down.
I guess though for us we don't look like a high performing outfit, so there is desire for change, but, at least externally, either nowhere to turn, or no willingness to turn
I’ve said for some time that NZR is not a high performance organisation and we are seeing that manifest itself in all parts of the organisation - The All blacks being the most obvious.
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Ardie just said that the Ireland V SA game was one of the first non ABs games he has watched.
What a professional outfit we have here, one of our most senior players and stand in captain is not even bothered to see where the opposition is at. Sigh.
@akan004 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ardie just said that the Ireland V SA game was one of the first non ABs games he has watched.
What a professional outfit we have here, one of our most senior players and stand in captain is not even bothered to see where the opposition is at. Sigh.
Not this again…
Someone dig up the old thread/s on rugby players that don’t sit around and watch rugby games from start to finish.
They watch snippets, packaged up footage. Who cares if they don’t sit and watch full games.
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@Dan54 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@KiwiMurph solid 23, I’d prefer Blackadder over Papali’i’ though.
Papali’i must be counting his lucky stars. He completely lacks any impact at this level.
Good to see Christie has been given the boot, and good to see McKenzie on the bench.
@george33 you were way off the money once again.
I am like you Canes, and think Papali'i is a bit fortunate, I understand bringing Cane off bench with only partial training load, but I also would pick Blackadder ahead of him!
I would add I not even sure I would have him at 7 for Blues if I was naming their team.Has anyone checked on @Tim ?
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@dogmeat I've checked out on this team, I really don't care anymore. They can't even develop their best tight forward (Taukei'aho).
@Tim I reckon Sami starts the final pool game and is then on the bench for the QF.
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@dogmeat I've checked out on this team, I really don't care anymore. They can't even develop their best tight forward (Taukei'aho).
@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
They can't even develop their best tight forward (Taukei'aho).
It's truly weird.
Can understand him coming off the bench if Ryan, Foster & co think that's his best place in the game plan (and he was bloody good in that role), but his impact seems to have dropped off the cliff. Used to be immaculate with his lineout throwing but that has deteriorated too.
Second season yips?
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@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
They can't even develop their best tight forward (Taukei'aho).
It's truly weird.
Can understand him coming off the bench if Ryan, Foster & co think that's his best place in the game plan (and he was bloody good in that role), but his impact seems to have dropped off the cliff. Used to be immaculate with his lineout throwing but that has deteriorated too.
Second season yips?
@Victor-Meldrew This is his third season as a test player. He was very good in Super Rugby this year, and then they have barely played him. Poor coaching, as is the standard.
