RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Bovidae said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stevenson needs to re-sign with NZR first. Robertson should be having a word in his ear.
Coaches should be having a word in his ear about defending. That would do wonders for his ability to wear the black jersey again.
Is it an individual problem or a systematic problem? Does he have defending issues with the Chiefs or just the ABs? Genuine question because just about every outside back has defending problems in the AB system.
Aside from McLeod's bafflingly shit defensive systems for the All Blacks, Stevenson was noticeably crap at defending in SR. To the point it looked like he didn't want to.
The implication (intended or not) sounds like the Chiefs couldn't win a game due to his defence..which is not true. I don't think anyone goes out thinking they won't defend unless they have a relationship with a bookie.
I am not going to lump him in the jesus/ethan category either but would probably add that if you look at it like a balance sheet, the points created (not necessarily scored directly) outweigh the points conceded as well.
When Reiko first moved to centre and even now still makes some bad defensive reads occasionally (not much anymore) but for me is one of the first picked because what he can break a game at any point and Stevenson has some of those qualities. Still has work ons but for me needs to be in the mix.
@bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Bovidae said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stevenson needs to re-sign with NZR first. Robertson should be having a word in his ear.
Coaches should be having a word in his ear about defending. That would do wonders for his ability to wear the black jersey again.
Is it an individual problem or a systematic problem? Does he have defending issues with the Chiefs or just the ABs? Genuine question because just about every outside back has defending problems in the AB system.
Aside from McLeod's bafflingly shit defensive systems for the All Blacks, Stevenson was noticeably crap at defending in SR. To the point it looked like he didn't want to.
The implication (intended or not) sounds like the Chiefs couldn't win a game due to his defence..which is not true. I don't think anyone goes out thinking they won't defend unless they have a relationship with a bookie.
SR in 2023 isn't in the same ballpark as Test rugby. It's a noticeable issue and no All Black in the modern era should be as bad as he is at half of the game.
I am not going to lump him in the jesus/ethan category either but would probably add that if you look at it like a balance sheet, the points created (not necessarily scored directly) outweigh the points conceded as well.
Cullen retired.
When Reiko first moved to centre and even now still makes some bad defensive reads occasionally (not much anymore) but for me is one of the first picked because what he can break a game at any point and Stevenson has some of those qualities. Still has work ons but for me needs to be in the mix.
Reiko also makes most of his tackles, as well as using his speed to cover for others. Give Stevenson another good year in SR with demonstrated improvement in this aspect of his game and he should easily make the squad.
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Right, as critical and as harsh as I've been on Foster and the ABs, I still want us to win despite believing we won't get passed the QF. I want the game plan to be simple. We must dominate up front before we play. Flood the breakdown and give BBBR a licence to end careers for 50 mins. TACKLE LOW!!! Don't want any play behind the 10m line. Anything there goes long. If we have a lead then onen the game up somewhat but it's critical we maximise the full 80 mins to play, maintain dominance and structure for the full 80 especially when subs come on.
I want to see positive decisions if and when ebbs and flow are against us. We've only got Uruguay after this so just go gangbusters for 80. Discipline is also critical. Listen to the refs queues. We should be able to put 50 on Italy so this could be the last chance to make a big statement. -
@bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Still has work ons but for me needs to be in the mix.
I've made the point before, but it shits me how you have to be perfect to make the squad, but once you are in you can make as many errors or have as many work ons as you want. You just need to get there, then she's apples.
If you are in the AB squad, then Super form means jack shit. If you are in the AB 23, then even test form doesn't matter week to week
@mariner4life or the coaching team saw his upside but thought, nope, nothing we can do with him here
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@bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Still has work ons but for me needs to be in the mix.
I've made the point before, but it shits me how you have to be perfect to make the squad, but once you are in you can make as many errors or have as many work ons as you want. You just need to get there, then she's apples.
If you are in the AB squad, then Super form means jack shit. If you are in the AB 23, then even test form doesn't matter week to week
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Still has work ons but for me needs to be in the mix.
I've made the point before, but it shits me how you have to be perfect to make the squad, but once you are in you can make as many errors or have as many work ons as you want. You just need to get there, then she's apples.
If you are in the AB squad, then Super form means jack shit. If you are in the AB 23, then even test form doesn't matter week to week
The old saying “ it is harder to get out of the team than it was to get in” was and still is applied to the Oz cricket team
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@akan004 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ardie just said that the Ireland V SA game was one of the first non ABs games he has watched.
What a professional outfit we have here, one of our most senior players and stand in captain is not even bothered to see where the opposition is at. Sigh.
Not this again…
Someone dig up the old thread/s on rugby players that don’t sit around and watch rugby games from start to finish.
They watch snippets, packaged up footage. Who cares if they don’t sit and watch full games.
This is a RWC ffs, you want to be as best prepared as possible and perhaps offer insights on the opposition that maybe the coaches might have missed.
@akan004 yeah but you don’t need to watch hours of full game footage for that, especially the way rugby is today and all the stoppages and time wasting that goes on.
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Don't run shite ball, it doesn't work
Pick n go
Big fan of long or wipers
Roll the dice bring on Roigard at 50 min
Will sulk if BB does own half cross kick or dink -
We're probably on the 3rd line of betting at the moment. If this was a horse race Ireland would be at around the $2.50 mark, Friance and South Africa at $3s, and us probably at 4s. England at about 7s or 8s, and everyone else in double figures.
And i am happy with that. But the pretty lady in the mounting yard is probably not picking us off the parade.
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We're probably on the 3rd line of betting at the moment. If this was a horse race Ireland would be at around the $2.50 mark, Friance and South Africa at $3s, and us probably at 4s. England at about 7s or 8s, and everyone else in double figures.
And i am happy with that. But the pretty lady in the mounting yard is probably not picking us off the parade.
You’d have to think that England would be odds on to make the final
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Don't run shite ball, it doesn't work
Pick n go
Big fan of long or wipers
Roll the dice bring on Roigard at 50 min
Will sulk if BB does own half cross kick or dink@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Don't run shite ball, it doesn't work
Pick n go
Big fan of long or wipers
Roll the dice bring on Roigard at 50 min
> Will sulk if BB does own half cross kick or dinkUnless it comes off haha
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@bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Bovidae said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stevenson needs to re-sign with NZR first. Robertson should be having a word in his ear.
Coaches should be having a word in his ear about defending. That would do wonders for his ability to wear the black jersey again.
Is it an individual problem or a systematic problem? Does he have defending issues with the Chiefs or just the ABs? Genuine question because just about every outside back has defending problems in the AB system.
Aside from McLeod's bafflingly shit defensive systems for the All Blacks, Stevenson was noticeably crap at defending in SR. To the point it looked like he didn't want to.
The implication (intended or not) sounds like the Chiefs couldn't win a game due to his defence..which is not true. I don't think anyone goes out thinking they won't defend unless they have a relationship with a bookie.
SR in 2023 isn't in the same ballpark as Test rugby. It's a noticeable issue and no All Black in the modern era should be as bad as he is at half of the game.
I am not going to lump him in the jesus/ethan category either but would probably add that if you look at it like a balance sheet, the points created (not necessarily scored directly) outweigh the points conceded as well.
Cullen retired.
When Reiko first moved to centre and even now still makes some bad defensive reads occasionally (not much anymore) but for me is one of the first picked because what he can break a game at any point and Stevenson has some of those qualities. Still has work ons but for me needs to be in the mix.
Reiko also makes most of his tackles, as well as using his speed to cover for others. Give Stevenson another good year in SR with demonstrated improvement in this aspect of his game and he should easily make the squad.
@antipodean said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Reiko also makes most of his tackles, as well as using his speed to cover for others.
He's got pretty much the best attacking stats in the comp so far
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We're probably on the 3rd line of betting at the moment. If this was a horse race Ireland would be at around the $2.50 mark, Friance and South Africa at $3s, and us probably at 4s. England at about 7s or 8s, and everyone else in double figures.
And i am happy with that. But the pretty lady in the mounting yard is probably not picking us off the parade.
You’d have to think that England would be odds on to make the final
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We're probably on the 3rd line of betting at the moment. If this was a horse race Ireland would be at around the $2.50 mark, Friance and South Africa at $3s, and us probably at 4s. England at about 7s or 8s, and everyone else in double figures.
And i am happy with that. But the pretty lady in the mounting yard is probably not picking us off the parade.
You’d have to think that England would be odds on to make the final
their draw is the only reason they aren't at double figures, they are a knock out chance in a semi against a team coming off a war
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@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fŭcked from the get go. Everything that multiple posters here had warned about could happen, was happening in front of our eyes. The disheartening thing was that we, i.e. the half-arse keyboard warriors, could see this coming a mile away, yet the brains trust in the ABs were like a man being mugged in a meadow.
The crazy thing is that if that penalty hadn't been reversed for the SW brain fart we were still in with a shot. Would have been completely undeserved because we had the shit beaten out of us all game.
Actually one thing I recall reading here was how Iteoje was apparently this overhyped myth. Well fark me if that overhyped myth didn't eat our lunch that day.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Do you have a link for that?
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@Dodge said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
not tomorrow, you could turn up half cut and beat Italy
Yes there some strange shit on this forum right now. Don't criticise a ten that has underperformed for years but talk up the chances of losing to fucking Italy??
@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Dodge said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
not tomorrow, you could turn up half cut and beat Italy
Yes there some strange shit on this forum right now. Don't criticise a ten that has underperformed for years but talk up the chances of losing to fucking Italy??
There's actually been comments on the Fern from people saying they hope the ABs crash out as they can't stand the thought of Foster doing well.
And I'm sure it wasn't the Walrus being ironic.
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Carley is not a ref I enjoy watching, just seems overly pedantic and often leads to a stop start game. I wonder what he average time in play and penalties are for him vs the other RWC refs. Shame BOK is a kiwi as I would take him all day long.
@chimoaus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Carley is not a ref I enjoy watching, just seems overly pedantic and often leads to a stop start game.
He's shit IMHO. The only Ref I've ever suspected of deliberate bias
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We're probably on the 3rd line of betting at the moment. If this was a horse race Ireland would be at around the $2.50 mark, Friance and South Africa at $3s, and us probably at 4s. England at about 7s or 8s, and everyone else in double figures.
And i am happy with that. But the pretty lady in the mounting yard is probably not picking us off the parade.
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We're probably on the 3rd line of betting at the moment. If this was a horse race Ireland would be at around the $2.50 mark, Friance and South Africa at $3s, and us probably at 4s. England at about 7s or 8s, and everyone else in double figures.
And i am happy with that. But the pretty lady in the mounting yard is probably not picking us off the parade.
Its interesting Aus betting markets suggest they have no idea.. Ire and SA on $4, France on 4.5 and we have slid to $5.. Ireland unbelievably started at $6 in Aus
not bad odds the QFs will obviously see all these shorten or blow out
novelty bets
Eng who? $13 not bad given their draw
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I give up. I'm 8 pages behind. Have no idea what you fluffybunnies are thinking or whinging about. Makes no fucking difference.
I'm going into this game, and any other game we're lucky enough to play thereafter, as if it's a knockout because it is.
This XXIII looks pretty damned good.
I'll see all you fluffybunnies in the morning, hoping we come out on the best side of the game, and that the best side wins, and that's us.
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I give up. I'm 8 pages behind. Have no idea what you fluffybunnies are thinking or whinging about. Makes no fucking difference.
I'm going into this game, and any other game we're lucky enough to play thereafter, as if it's a knockout because it is.
This XXIII looks pretty damned good.
I'll see all you fluffybunnies in the morning, hoping we come out on the best side of the game, and that the best side wins, and that's us.
It will be a comfortable win Boo-boo.
Italy will play well and give us a good intro into knockout rugby and give us the mental and physical tune up we need before the qf
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Right. Here in Lyon. Going to the game. Can see why Kiwis like it here. More of a laid-back feel to it than Paris. Weather is good, very warm, clear, cloudless blue skies. Food is tasty, beer is cold, and everthing in good walking distance, although the Rugby Village is a bit shit, it is made up for by the charm of the old city which is slow to wake up but comes to life at night....or is that just me...lol. Certainly a lot more bonhomie here. Plenty of Kiwis and AB supporters thronging in the streets, all doing the same touristy things just waiting on the match to start. Cant wait. C'mon Black!
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Right. Here in Lyon. Going to the game. Can see why Kiwis like it here. More of a laid-back feel to it than Paris. Weather is good, very warm, clear, cloudless blue skies. Food is tasty, beer is cold, and everthing in good walking distance, although the Rugby Village is a bit shit, it is made up for by the charm of the old city which is slow to wake up but comes to life at night....or is that just me...lol. Certainly a lot more bonhomie here. Plenty of Kiwis and AB supporters thronging in the streets, all doing the same touristy things just waiting on the match to start. Cant wait. C'mon Black!
@Jailbreak7 I don’t know what “thronging in the streets” is, but I sure as fck wish I was there doing it with y’all!
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If we mess this up will be looking forward to Frank's post game analysis.
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Right. Here in Lyon. Going to the game. Can see why Kiwis like it here. More of a laid-back feel to it than Paris. Weather is good, very warm, clear, cloudless blue skies. Food is tasty, beer is cold, and everthing in good walking distance, although the Rugby Village is a bit shit, it is made up for by the charm of the old city which is slow to wake up but comes to life at night....or is that just me...lol. Certainly a lot more bonhomie here. Plenty of Kiwis and AB supporters thronging in the streets, all doing the same touristy things just waiting on the match to start. Cant wait. C'mon Black!
@Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Right. Here in Lyon. Going to the game. Can see why Kiwis like it here. More of a laid-back feel to it than Paris. Weather is good, very warm, clear, cloudless blue skies. Food is tasty, beer is cold, and everthing in good walking distance, although the Rugby Village is a bit shit, it is made up for by the charm of the old city which is slow to wake up but comes to life at night....or is that just me...lol. Certainly a lot more bonhomie here. Plenty of Kiwis and AB supporters thronging in the streets, all doing the same touristy things just waiting on the match to start. Cant wait. C'mon Black!
Fan Zone was a joke, not a screen in sight
Far better to watch matches in barsGetting to and from the stadium is laborious
Get there early, be prepared to take forever to come home
At least that was my experience last Sunday
JokeCouple of bars/vans outside the stadium before going in
They're easier to get served and have food tooInside the ground only Asahi is served
So if you're not a lager drinker you're fucked
CrazyEnjoy the match, cracking stadium
