RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
Friz, Paps, Ardie
I think that’s what they’ll pick. Finish the game with Cane subbing on for Papali’i & Barrett at 6
I actually this has enormous merit. Bringing the super experienced Sam's on to finish when the whips are cracking.
But I think Cane will start, and I hope that means Paps comes on absolutely fizzing
We simply cannot let them continue to recycle phase after phase no matter who is selected
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
But I think Cane will start, and I hope that means Paps comes on absolutely fizzing
That worked against the Boks in the RC (IIRC Cane was outstanding at the breakdown) but we may need to try something different against the Oirish.
We can't let them dominate from the start and end up playing catch-up.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2023:
Draw is a definite mistake. Ranking needs to be made closer to the tournament.
It's not the draw as much as we don't switch at the quarters. If we did, it would even it out.
I reckon this is a great opportunity.
Ireland are the best team in the world, but we fucking owe them. Win this and the semi should be Wales, which is not easy but a better run towards a final.
I like it. Let's fucking go get them.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
But I think Cane will start, and I hope that means Paps comes on absolutely fizzing
That worked against the Boks in the RC (IIRC Cane was outstanding at the breakdown) but we may need to try something different against the Oirish.
We can't let them dominate from the start and end up playing catch-up.
@Victor-Meldrew you mean like allowing them to score a try in the first 5 mins like they did in the NZ series in 2022?
Eddie Jones laid the blueprint in 2018/2019 to play the current ABs. Score first and force the ABs to play catch up. Sometimes they can (vs England in 2019, Ire in test 1 2022) but sometimes they can’t (vs Fra 2021, Ire in 2021, 2022, SA test 1 in 2022 2019).
Ireland haven’t been behind so far in this World Cup, have they? We don’t know how they react to scoreboard pressure.
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Yep I would love to see us send Ireland out of the WC,Put a dent in their ego and get some revenge from past losses.
If we can we are in the Final as we will win the SF.
Meet SA in the final and make it a SH final how good. -
Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
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Ireland will go after Ioane. But NZ can go after Gibson-Park and Sexton. Force Sexton to put his physical all into the game and watch as he whinges and whines and loses his focus. La Rochelle did it to him. No surprise that O’Gara knows how to get under his skin.
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Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
We are often guilty of trying too hard to win the game in big plays. I want to see a little bit of grind, play the game in their half and try to get some early scores, even if they are in 3s.
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
We are often guilty of trying too hard to win the game in big plays. I want to see a little bit of grind, play the game in their half and try to get some early scores, even if they are in 3s.
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
We are often guilty of trying too hard to win the game in big plays. I want to see a little bit of grind, play the game in their half and try to get some early scores, even if they are in 3s.
Test rugby you mean
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
We are often guilty of trying too hard to win the game in big plays. I want to see a little bit of grind, play the game in their half and try to get some early scores, even if they are in 3s.
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@bayimports whatever they did before Ellis Park 2022…do it again.
One of the hallmarks of the Foster era is the inconsistency. If we simply didn't have the cattle and were clearly just not good enough I could begrudgingly accept that. But we show glimpses of how good we can be, which is infuriating
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@bayimports whatever they did before Ellis Park 2022…do it again.
One of the hallmarks of the Foster era is the inconsistency. If we simply didn't have the cattle and were clearly just not good enough I could begrudgingly accept that. But we show glimpses of how good we can be, which is infuriating
Well said that man. This is going to be tough but we can do it. If not then good luck to the Irish. That is where my family is from originally. You just have to love the support they bring.
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@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
We are often guilty of trying too hard to win the game in big plays. I want to see a little bit of grind, play the game in their half and try to get some early scores, even if they are in 3s.
Test rugby you mean
@MiketheSnow teams know to beat the ABs is by scoring tries. Where Ireland and France have improved, less so SA, is that they know they don’t have to do it from minute 1. But they do need to take their chances when they have good territory.
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Ireland will go after Ioane. But NZ can go after Gibson-Park and Sexton. Force Sexton to put his physical all into the game and watch as he whinges and whines and loses his focus. La Rochelle did it to him. No surprise that O’Gara knows how to get under his skin.
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@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
We are often guilty of trying too hard to win the game in big plays. I want to see a little bit of grind, play the game in their half and try to get some early scores, even if they are in 3s.
Test rugby you mean
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Put Ireland under scoreboard pressure. Increment in 3s. Turn the screw. Make them chase for once. They are capable of chasing. They are v good. But pressure turns good players into average ones and cracks form in once thought perfect systems.
We are often guilty of trying too hard to win the game in big plays. I want to see a little bit of grind, play the game in their half and try to get some early scores, even if they are in 3s.
Test rugby you mean
Yes, I miss it sometimes
. A reunion on the weekend would be great -
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Gibson-Park
That's the key. Ireland are a shadow of the usual without him.
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@canefan first half vs France was good. Stay in touch and if the opportunity to play with penalty advantage or their mistake comes, execute.
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan first half vs France was good. Stay in touch and if the opportunity to play with penalty advantage or their mistake comes, execute.
Yup. Problems started when they wanted to run them about by going wide. Just got too cute
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Shelve the 50:50 passes unless they come off.
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Shelve the 50:50 passes unless they come off.
@BerniesCorner said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Shelve the 50:50 passes unless they come off.
In the right part of the field, okay maybe. But not in our own half
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan first half vs France was good. Stay in touch and if the opportunity to play with penalty advantage or their mistake comes, execute.
Yup. Problems started when they wanted to run them about by going wide. Just got too cute
@canefan learnings
. Uruguay wasn’t a bad test for the ABs as they were super competitive at the breakdown (like Ireland) and disrupted ball. ABs had to work through and around it to be able to play.Their overall play isn’t the same standard as Ireland, but they are similar in many facets.
ABs will need to dismantle the Irish line out or force them to have poor ball. Line out is a weakness of Irish in this World Cup. SA had lots of possession and territory as a result, but SA showed in Twickenham test and in Ireland test that they lack the ruthless edge to convert their many opportunities.
