RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
Why?
Because Christie is “experienced”
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Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)
Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland
The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)
Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland
The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard
ABs don't generally defend leads, they still try and attack ergo Roigard all the time. Christies fringe defence can be good, but meh, that's not his main job
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@MN5 experienced at being shit. Like he doesn't even look like a test halfback when he plays for the Blues.
@Canes4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MN5 experienced at being shit. Like he doesn't even look like a test halfback when he plays for the Blues.
Experience breeds confidence though…..
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Surely Smith plays pretty much full game unless he breaks, or we are up by 20 with 5mins to go.
If he breaks, then Roigard is the guy I want coming on. Likewise if we are behind and need to make a change, it’s Roigard.
@JK said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Surely Smith plays pretty much full game unless he breaks, or we are up by 20 with 5mins to go.
If he breaks, then Roigard is the guy I want coming on. Likewise if we are behind and need to make a change, it’s Roigard.
Nope he has not got those legs anymore, he can't do 80
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Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)
Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland
The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard
It's Smith and Roigard either way for me. I obviously don't see what people see in Christie that puts him in the same conversation as Roigard, it's baffling.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard
It's Smith and Roigard either way for me. I obviously don't see what people see in Christie that puts him in the same conversation as Roigard, it's baffling.
@Canes4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard
It's Smith and Roigard either way for me. I obviously don't see what people see in Christie that puts him in the same conversation as Roigard, it's baffling.
Fozzie logic. Ye olde stopped clock.
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@Victor-Meldrew Christie's performance stats this year don't even come close to Roigard's. Yes Roigard had a few blips in his last outing but that's all character building. He's been a far more consistent player all year and he has shown that his ceiling is, and will continue to be far higher that Christie's.
@Canes4life Exactly. 100%
He's played in the majority of tests this year, has bedded down seamlessly and offers way more options.
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It makes no sense to go cold on Roigard based on one start vs Uruguay where he came right anyway.
Christie has often struggled when starting (and from the bench mind you).
If it indeed is Christie you get the sense Fozzie was looking for a reason not to select Roigard.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
Why?
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
Why?
Same same
If you’re winning, continue the game plan
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@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
Why?
Same same
If you’re winning, continue the game plan
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It makes no sense to go cold on Roigard based on one start vs Uruguay where he came right anyway.
Christie has often struggled when starting (and from the bench mind you).
If it indeed is Christie you get the sense Fozzie was looking for a reason not to select Roigard.
Christie has gone backwards since last year when he was solid coming on to replace Smith. Been a bit crap since his forgettable Scotland start, though he had some good moments against the Boks this RC.
Roigard's the much better option.
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@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
Why?
Same same
If you’re winning, continue the game plan
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie
Why?
Same same
If you’re winning, continue the game plan
Christie is nothing like Smith. I'd rather Smith play 80.
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@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.
There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.
There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.
Care to explain what is the risk of picking Roigard over Christie and why it would be greater by dint of that selection?
If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie based upon their own individual merits (as opposed to some general notion of experience handling pressure better)?
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Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.
More importantly, Christie's execution simply isn't going to be anywhere near Nuggie's. This is important because that style is built entirely around Nuggie's once-in-a-lifetime quality passing game. Take that away, and that particular way of playing just doesn't work. Without Nuggie, therefore, you would be better off and more effective changing your pattern of play entirely.
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It makes no sense to go cold on Roigard based on one start vs Uruguay where he came right anyway.
Christie has often struggled when starting (and from the bench mind you).
If it indeed is Christie you get the sense Fozzie was looking for a reason not to select Roigard.
@KiwiMurph said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
It makes no sense to go cold on Roigard based on one start vs Uruguay where he came right anyway.
Christie has often struggled when starting (and from the bench mind you).
If it indeed is Christie you get the sense Fozzie was looking for a reason not to select Roigard.
Yes, and if we are going to judge our reserve halfbacks by their hiccups during this tournament, let us not forget Christie's train wreck against France in the opening match.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.
There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.
Care to explain what is the risk of picking Roigard over Christie and why it would be greater by dint of that selection?
If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie based upon their own individual merits (as opposed to some general notion of experience handling pressure better)?
@junior said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie
If I give Christie a 5/10 in a tight, must-win Test (probably really generous based on recent form), what rating would you give Roigard? The answer is you can't because he hasn't. That's an unknown. Which is a risk.
Does Roigard's skill-set, recent experience & performances merit taking that risk? Absolutely, and that's why I think he should be picked.
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@MiketheSnow he's not the same as Smith though. He's the one that is more like Murray - flimsy wide pass, tends to fuck around, run off the ruck and throw a short pass.
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MiketheSnow he's not the same as Smith though. He's the one that is more like Murray - flimsy wide pass, tends to fuck around, run off the ruck and throw a short pass.
We (The Fern) think that
Obviously Foster doesn't
Foster is conservative
He obviously feels Christie is less of a risk
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@junior said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie
If I give Christie a 5/10 in a tight, must-win Test (probably really generous based on recent form), what rating would you give Roigard? The answer is you can't because he hasn't. That's an unknown. Which is a risk.
Does Roigard's skill-set, recent experience & performances merit taking that risk? Absolutely, and that's why I think he should be picked.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
That's an unknown. Which is a risk.
It's really not.
