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RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

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  • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

    @Stag said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

    I was all for Roiguard being the right back up choice, but some of his early decision making in the last game was a bit concerning

    From memory, he did seem to run when the pass was probably the better option a few times I thought

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    @kiwiinmelb said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

    @Stag said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

    I was all for Roiguard being the right back up choice, but some of his early decision making in the last game was a bit concerning

    From memory, he did seem to run when the pass was probably the better option a few times I thought

    But I liked the way he handled his little period of yips - thought that showed a lot of maturity and composure. And I'd prefer his speed of decision making over Christie any day.

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      It’s been a looooong week

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      • S stodders

        Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

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        @stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

        Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

        Exactly. Roigard offers more overall than Christie in my book. He may not have come on in a tight game but he's worth that risk.

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          Christie is more liable to shit the bed than Roigard. Imagine if Smith got injured early and we had to watch any attack disappear, for the hope he might make one decent tackle.

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            Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

            Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

            The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

            If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

            If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

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            • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

              Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

              Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

              The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

              If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

              If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

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              @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

              If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

              Why?

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              • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                @stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

                Exactly. Roigard offers more overall than Christie in my book. He may not have come on in a tight game but he's worth that risk.

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                @Victor-Meldrew Christie's performance stats this year don't even come close to Roigard's. Yes Roigard had a few blips in his last outing but that's all character building. He's been a far more consistent player all year and he has shown that his ceiling is, and will continue to be far higher that Christie's.

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                  #699

                  Crazy that 90% of the talk is about the bench nine. Fozzie at least has a settled XV (injuries aside) whether you agree with it or not Ahem Beaudy

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                  • BonesB Bones

                    @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                    If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                    Why?

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                    @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                    @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                    If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                    Why?

                    Because Christie is “experienced”

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                    • MN5M MN5

                      @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                      @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                      If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                      Why?

                      Because Christie is “experienced”

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                      @MN5 experienced at being shit. Like he doesn't even look like a test halfback when he plays for the Blues.

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                      • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                        Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

                        Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

                        The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

                        If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                        If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

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                        #702

                        @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                        Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

                        Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

                        The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

                        If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                        If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

                        ABs don't generally defend leads, they still try and attack ergo Roigard all the time. Christies fringe defence can be good, but meh, that's not his main job

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                          Surely Smith plays pretty much full game unless he breaks, or we are up by 20 with 5mins to go.

                          If he breaks, then Roigard is the guy I want coming on. Likewise if we are behind and need to make a change, it’s Roigard.

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                          • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                            @MN5 experienced at being shit. Like he doesn't even look like a test halfback when he plays for the Blues.

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                            @Canes4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                            @MN5 experienced at being shit. Like he doesn't even look like a test halfback when he plays for the Blues.

                            Experience breeds confidence though…..

                            IMG_0649.jpeg

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                            • JKJ JK

                              Surely Smith plays pretty much full game unless he breaks, or we are up by 20 with 5mins to go.

                              If he breaks, then Roigard is the guy I want coming on. Likewise if we are behind and need to make a change, it’s Roigard.

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                              @JK said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                              Surely Smith plays pretty much full game unless he breaks, or we are up by 20 with 5mins to go.

                              If he breaks, then Roigard is the guy I want coming on. Likewise if we are behind and need to make a change, it’s Roigard.

                              Nope he has not got those legs anymore, he can't do 80

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                              • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

                                Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

                                The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

                                If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

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                                @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

                                It's Smith and Roigard either way for me. I obviously don't see what people see in Christie that puts him in the same conversation as Roigard, it's baffling.

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                                • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                  @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                  If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                  If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

                                  It's Smith and Roigard either way for me. I obviously don't see what people see in Christie that puts him in the same conversation as Roigard, it's baffling.

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                                  @Canes4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                  @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                  If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                  If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

                                  It's Smith and Roigard either way for me. I obviously don't see what people see in Christie that puts him in the same conversation as Roigard, it's baffling.

                                  Fozzie logic. Ye olde stopped clock.

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                                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                    @Victor-Meldrew Christie's performance stats this year don't even come close to Roigard's. Yes Roigard had a few blips in his last outing but that's all character building. He's been a far more consistent player all year and he has shown that his ceiling is, and will continue to be far higher that Christie's.

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                                    @Canes4life Exactly. 100%

                                    He's played in the majority of tests this year, has bedded down seamlessly and offers way more options.

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                                      It makes no sense to go cold on Roigard based on one start vs Uruguay where he came right anyway.

                                      Christie has often struggled when starting (and from the bench mind you).

                                      If it indeed is Christie you get the sense Fozzie was looking for a reason not to select Roigard.

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                                      • BonesB Bones

                                        @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                        If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                        Why?

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                                        @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                        @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                        If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                        Why?

                                        Same same

                                        If you’re winning, continue the game plan

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                                        • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                          @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                          @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                          If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                          Why?

                                          Same same

                                          If you’re winning, continue the game plan

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                                          @MiketheSnow he's not the same as Smith though. He's the one that is more like Murray - flimsy wide pass, tends to fuck around, run off the ruck and throw a short pass.

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