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RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

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    stodders
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    Did Christie go up against Roigard in Super Rugby this year? If so, how did they fare against each other?

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      @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

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      There's a risk in picking Roigard and a risk in not picking Roigard. I think it will be a fine line decision.

      Stop it. There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie. Only ten morons on Facebook and Foster would pick Christie (and maybe anyone needing to pretend Roigard is a risk because they can't depart the Fozzie defence).

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      @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

      There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.

      There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.

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        Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

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        • S stodders

          @Victor-Meldrew against one of the least ponderous defences in world rugby. Good combination 😄

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          @stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

          @Victor-Meldrew against one of the least ponderous defences in world rugby. Good combination 😄

          You got my irony. Well done sir!

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          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

            @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

            There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.

            There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.

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            @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

            @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

            There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.

            There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.

            There isn't more risk, you're making it up. What's the risk?

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            • BonesB Bones

              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

              @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

              There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.

              There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.

              There isn't more risk, you're making it up. What's the risk?

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              @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

              @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

              There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.

              There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.

              There isn't more risk, you're making it up. What's the risk?

              In Christies case maybe sunburn even at this time of year ?

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                Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

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                @stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray

                That's an even more bizarre take than there's less risk picking Christie.

                They are streets apart.

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                • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                  @Stag said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                  I was all for Roiguard being the right back up choice, but some of his early decision making in the last game was a bit concerning

                  From memory, he did seem to run when the pass was probably the better option a few times I thought

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                  @kiwiinmelb said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                  @Stag said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                  I was all for Roiguard being the right back up choice, but some of his early decision making in the last game was a bit concerning

                  From memory, he did seem to run when the pass was probably the better option a few times I thought

                  But I liked the way he handled his little period of yips - thought that showed a lot of maturity and composure. And I'd prefer his speed of decision making over Christie any day.

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                    It’s been a looooong week

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                      Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

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                      @stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                      Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

                      Exactly. Roigard offers more overall than Christie in my book. He may not have come on in a tight game but he's worth that risk.

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                        Christie is more liable to shit the bed than Roigard. Imagine if Smith got injured early and we had to watch any attack disappear, for the hope he might make one decent tackle.

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                          Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

                          Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

                          The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

                          If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                          If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

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                            Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

                            Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

                            The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

                            If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                            If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

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                            @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                            If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                            Why?

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                              @stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                              Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

                              Exactly. Roigard offers more overall than Christie in my book. He may not have come on in a tight game but he's worth that risk.

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                              @Victor-Meldrew Christie's performance stats this year don't even come close to Roigard's. Yes Roigard had a few blips in his last outing but that's all character building. He's been a far more consistent player all year and he has shown that his ceiling is, and will continue to be far higher that Christie's.

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                                Crazy that 90% of the talk is about the bench nine. Fozzie at least has a settled XV (injuries aside) whether you agree with it or not Ahem Beaudy

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                                • BonesB Bones

                                  @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                  If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                  Why?

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                                  @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                  @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                  If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                  Why?

                                  Because Christie is “experienced”

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                                    @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                    @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                    If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                    Why?

                                    Because Christie is “experienced”

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                                    @MN5 experienced at being shit. Like he doesn't even look like a test halfback when he plays for the Blues.

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                                    • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                      Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

                                      Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

                                      The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

                                      If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                      If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

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                                      @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                      Perhaps there’s a different way of looking at this (the Foster way)

                                      Foster obviously believes he can select the best 23 to beat Ireland

                                      The crux of this conundrum is will NZ be defending a lead or chasing the game?

                                      If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

                                      If you’re chasing the game, then it’s Smith- Roigard

                                      ABs don't generally defend leads, they still try and attack ergo Roigard all the time. Christies fringe defence can be good, but meh, that's not his main job

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                                        Surely Smith plays pretty much full game unless he breaks, or we are up by 20 with 5mins to go.

                                        If he breaks, then Roigard is the guy I want coming on. Likewise if we are behind and need to make a change, it’s Roigard.

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                                        • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                          @MN5 experienced at being shit. Like he doesn't even look like a test halfback when he plays for the Blues.

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                                          @Canes4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                          @MN5 experienced at being shit. Like he doesn't even look like a test halfback when he plays for the Blues.

                                          Experience breeds confidence though…..

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