All Blacks 2023
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
Ian Foster has been disappointing me personally since 2004. I have Facebook memories annually telling me just how much I have been disappointed.
And yet here I am, 19 years later, able to admit maybe he knows a bit more than I gave him credit for.I'm wondering how I'd have reacted in 2003 if I'd been told we're stuck with the bloke for 20 years, no titles, but in 2023 he takes the AB's to a RWC Final, and...?
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach, but fingers crossed for the weekend - and hopefully history gives us something great to reevaluate.
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
Carlos Spencer says ‘hold this needle’…
Quite a few players got their first shot under Mitchell or had a redemption under him. Sure there were rankles and players dropped (when isn’t there?) but I know at least a few who speak highly of the time.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
Carlos Spencer says ‘hold this needle’…
Quite a few players got their first shot under Mitchell or had a redemption under him. Sure there were rankles and players dropped (when isn’t there?) but I know at least a few who speak highly of the time.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I know at least a few who speak highly of the time
having seen first hand how hard the Mitch and Deans ABs went on the piss, I'm sure they all had a ball.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I know at least a few who speak highly of the time
having seen first hand how hard the Mitch and Deans ABs went on the piss, I'm sure they all had a ball.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I know at least a few who speak highly of the time
having seen first hand how hard the Mitch and Deans ABs went on the piss, I'm sure they all had a ball.
I’m sure Spencer was holding a beer in the other hand….
How times have changed
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
It's old ground that's been revisited a few times lately I guess. The 1992 World XV series, 1994, and the addition of Sir Brian Lochore into the '95 RWC campaign sat behind my throwaway one liner.
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John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
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John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
He had a bad year (1998?) and a poor RWC campaign, where he played the world's best 15 at 13 among other things
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
Did he? I recall Foz level result through 92-94. And even a split series post RWC..
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What parts of the game is Joe Schmidt responsible for? I see Bryn Hall was saying the team is getting better the longer Schmidt has been involved because he's improved the breakdown efficiency/contact work.
Is he in charge of all of the attacking play? Moves from set pieces (for instance he's been given loads of credit for Jordan's try v Ireland) as well as the general play structure and breakdowns?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
He had a bad year (1998?) and a poor RWC campaign, where he played the world's best 15 at 13 among other things
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
He had a bad year (1998?) and a poor RWC campaign, where he played the world's best 15 at 13 among other things
and came from Auckland, and was corporate. A few chips on a few shoulders (myself included at the time)
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John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
because his win percentage is boosted hugely by being handed arguably the best AB team in my lifetime, and also Christian Cullen. And then when they started retiring and it was Hart's time to pick the team we sucked.
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Foster always seemed like a guy who was out of his depth, with a very lightweight coaching group. But his players appear to love him, and for all his real and perceived faults it is that love and loyalty that seems to have helped fuse the group with an esprit de corp that might take them all the way. I'm happy to celebrate that
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I’m not really worried how good foster is now ,
We’ve got a new coach next year anyway,
I just want to win because Allblacks
If we win It’s like splitting up with your girlfriend and she gives you a blowjob
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I’m not really worried how good foster is now ,
We’ve got a new coach next year anyway,
I just want to win because Allblacks
If we win It’s like splitting up with your girlfriend and she gives you a blowjob
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2023:
I’m not really worried how good foster is now ,
We’ve got a new coach next year anyway,
I just want to win because Allblacks
If we win It’s like splitting up with your girlfriend and she gives you a blowjob for the first time, just before she goes
FIFY
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So Schmidt has been doing a bit of everything
Part of Schmidt's brief when he was selector was to work with Foster in analysing the opposition and assist with strategies. Once he became an assistant, it became much broader. In addition to assisting Foster with the overall strategy and attack play, Schmidt has focused on the breakdown, keeping the ball alive and helping defence coach Scott McLeod.He must be going alright. That is Richard Knowler writing a puff piece on a non Cantab. Even compares him to Wayne Smith
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i thought @kiwiinmelb had summed it but perfectly...and the @Machpants did in fact fix it
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I didn’t want the All blacks to win the World Cup because I’m a Razor fan. I listened to the media and I took a side.
Straight after the Ireland game I saw Razor hanging out of the window of his car celebrating the All blacks win.
I went into the game thinking I don’t care if Ireland win. But I was on the edge of my seat cheering on the abs thru the whole game.
I was sucked into the whole Foster vs Razor debate. When actually it’s not that it all. Looking back now the NZRFU totally fucked foster. But that’s not Razors fault. He applied for a job and got it.
I’ve been bitter towards Foster the whole time and I was wrong.
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It does make me laugh how foster didn't apply for the job, as he knew he wasn't going to get it. Like we should have sympathy for that, several media articles saying he's hard done by. Same fucking thing as after 2019, basically no one applied, cos there was no point - foster was a shoe in. NZR fucked a lot of things, but giving notice to foster, and future abs coaches, that what he delivered during his term is not good enough even with a rwc victory.
And that really only came about cos we al whined like bastards about it. Even NZR could see the damage being done by their closed shop. And rightly so.
I hope foster rides off into the sunset with two fingers raised, Sir Foster of the redemption Arc & learnings galore. But a key point of that sentence is rides off
