All Blacks 2023
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i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
Is Foster non binary too ?
Crumbs, at least it’ll give us something to give him grief about other than fat jokes I guess
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
Is Foster non binary too ?
Crumbs, at least it’ll give us something to give him grief about other than fat jokes I guess
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
Is Foster non binary too ?
Crumbs, at least it’ll give us something to give him grief about other than fat jokes I guess
The team, if this is the plan then the players have to be in on it, to stick to previous game plans the weren’t working
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Isn't there a dedicated thread for you lot to cry endlessly about Foster?
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I have fairly low expectations, I'm just asking Foster to help the ABs win one more game, and then he can lose as many as he likes. And if he looks smug currently, well, you can understand why.
I still think Farrell is one of the best coaches out there. -
Maybe Foster's coaching career is a version of the Mainland cheese advert. Maybe a bit more fitting than the Stephen Donald analogy?
I have all week to ponder it until Team Naming...
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Maybe Foster's coaching career is a version of the Mainland cheese advert. Maybe a bit more fitting than the Stephen Donald analogy?
I have all week to ponder it until Team Naming...
I think it's a fairly apt likeness comparing Fozzie to Donald.
Both are stories of redemption and making up for their past wrongs on the biggest stage. To everyone delight and surprise I might add.
However as much as Donald is loved in NZ rugby folk lore I doubt anyone would say that due to his 2011 performance he was a better first 5 than Carter or Fox or a great number of first 5's in the modern game.
Same would be said for Foster - there would be a certain RWC winner cult status provided to him but again I doubt many would say he was a better coach than well, anyone in the modern era aside from Laurie Mains...
So in summary I think it's a very apt comparison should the AB's win this weekend...
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
Ian Foster has been disappointing me personally since 2004. I have Facebook memories annually telling me just how much I have been disappointed.
And yet here I am, 19 years later, able to admit maybe he knows a bit more than I gave him credit for.I'm wondering how I'd have reacted in 2003 if I'd been told we're stuck with the bloke for 20 years, no titles, but in 2023 he takes the AB's to a RWC Final, and...?
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach, but fingers crossed for the weekend - and hopefully history gives us something great to reevaluate.
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
Carlos Spencer says ‘hold this needle’…
Quite a few players got their first shot under Mitchell or had a redemption under him. Sure there were rankles and players dropped (when isn’t there?) but I know at least a few who speak highly of the time.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
Carlos Spencer says ‘hold this needle’…
Quite a few players got their first shot under Mitchell or had a redemption under him. Sure there were rankles and players dropped (when isn’t there?) but I know at least a few who speak highly of the time.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I know at least a few who speak highly of the time
having seen first hand how hard the Mitch and Deans ABs went on the piss, I'm sure they all had a ball.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I know at least a few who speak highly of the time
having seen first hand how hard the Mitch and Deans ABs went on the piss, I'm sure they all had a ball.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I know at least a few who speak highly of the time
having seen first hand how hard the Mitch and Deans ABs went on the piss, I'm sure they all had a ball.
I’m sure Spencer was holding a beer in the other hand….
How times have changed
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
It's old ground that's been revisited a few times lately I guess. The 1992 World XV series, 1994, and the addition of Sir Brian Lochore into the '95 RWC campaign sat behind my throwaway one liner.
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John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
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John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
He had a bad year (1998?) and a poor RWC campaign, where he played the world's best 15 at 13 among other things
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2023:
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach
Or Laurie Mains?
Years of schizo results and things come together during the RWC. We have the Saffas in the final.. hopefully someone can hit drop kicks better than Merhts. His hyped up successor has a great domestic record
Good point. Three years of plenty of dross, and then a RWC campaign & a drop goal away from being Sir Laurie.
Another poster pointed out to me that Laurie did much better than that summary
Did he? I recall Foz level result through 92-94. And even a split series post RWC..
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What parts of the game is Joe Schmidt responsible for? I see Bryn Hall was saying the team is getting better the longer Schmidt has been involved because he's improved the breakdown efficiency/contact work.
Is he in charge of all of the attacking play? Moves from set pieces (for instance he's been given loads of credit for Jordan's try v Ireland) as well as the general play structure and breakdowns?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
He had a bad year (1998?) and a poor RWC campaign, where he played the world's best 15 at 13 among other things
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
John Hart got a lot of grief given his %.
He had a bad year (1998?) and a poor RWC campaign, where he played the world's best 15 at 13 among other things
and came from Auckland, and was corporate. A few chips on a few shoulders (myself included at the time)
