RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didnât know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didnât know about it doesnât mean it wasnât reffed correctly
Which law?
If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.
20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law
Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.
"Target" is the operative word.
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
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@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didnât know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didnât know about it doesnât mean it wasnât reffed correctly
Which law?
If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.
20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law
Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.
"Target" is the operative word.
very good point SF wasn't even looking at the legs.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set
If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably wouldâve.
Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time
He just went to pieces didn't he? We were lucky he didn't take us out of the running altogether
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set
If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably wouldâve.
Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time
He just went to pieces didn't he? We were lucky he didn't take us out of the running altogether
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A Foster first then. He coached the only player to score in two RWC finals
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SA worthy winners but this great tournament deserved a better finish
@BerniesCorner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA worthy winners but this great tournament deserved a better finish
spot on, but problem with WR not the hosts.
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Shame the weather has such a say
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@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
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@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didnât know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didnât know about it doesnât mean it wasnât reffed correctly
Which law?
If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.
20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law
Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.
"Target" is the operative word.
very good point SF wasn't even looking at the legs.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
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@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didnât know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didnât know about it doesnât mean it wasnât reffed correctly
Which law?
If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.
20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law
Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.
"Target" is the operative word.
very good point SF wasn't even looking at the legs.
Yeah - look it it in real time. It's purely accidental in my view and a poor call.
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@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
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@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didnât know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didnât know about it doesnât mean it wasnât reffed correctly
Which law?
If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.
20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law
Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.
"Target" is the operative word.
very good point SF wasn't even looking at the legs.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
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@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didnât know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didnât know about it doesnât mean it wasnât reffed correctly
Which law?
If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.
20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law
Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.
"Target" is the operative word.
very good point SF wasn't even looking at the legs.
Which is why it stayed as a YC
Penalised for the neck roll
YC for dropping his weight on the jackaler
YC because it wasnât deliberate and âtargetedâ -
I kind of wish that I wasn't reminded of Barnes admitting the penalty wasn't a penalty as I was a fairly contented (as contented as you can be) but now I'm starting to get angry about it.
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I kind of wish that I wasn't reminded of Barnes admitting the penalty wasn't a penalty as I was a fairly contented (as contented as you can be) but now I'm starting to get angry about it.
All he had to do was keep his mouth shut!
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@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did any of the players who were the "victim" of those head clashes go off for a HIA?
I don't believe so. No doubt the would have been tactical subs though, not HIA.
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@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did any of the players who were the "victim" of those head clashes go off for a HIA?
That bit is irritating; if it is so dangerous, them the victim should get seen to off the field.
Makes a 7-1 bench a bit of a risk
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@W32 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Commiserations guys. The ABs showed what class they are.
Enjoy it bro. Four more years of being labeled World Champs.
I genuinely interested in what the Boks will do when it comes to how they select their side. Will todayâs win give justification for it? Other than in set piece play, the Boks midfield are hardly ever in the game. So continue to play like this and the forward selections will be the focus.
It was noticeable in that last 10 that the ABs expended a lot of energy covering for Caneâs RC.
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@W32 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Commiserations guys. The ABs showed what class they are.
Enjoy it bro. Four more years of being labeled World Champs.
I genuinely interested in what the Boks will do when it comes to how they select their side. Will todayâs win give justification for it? Other than in set piece play, the Boks midfield are hardly ever in the game. So continue to play like this and the forward selections will be the focus.
It was noticeable in that last 10 that the ABs expended a lot of energy covering for Caneâs RC.
Think horses for courses. Yes, the win justifies the selection today. But if they (coaches) had lost it would have catastrophic and could have been a blowout. They backed themselves and it worked out. Barely. I think rassie is smarter than fossieâŚ. As hard as that is to accept for some.
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Our exits were better, but did anybody else notice that our long exit kicks were significantly better in open play than in free kicks / penalties?
@MajorRage said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Our exits were better, but did anybody else notice that our long exit kicks were significantly better in open play than in free kicks / penalties?
What is that about? I hope that DMac at 10 can peel off more distance with our exits next season
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
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@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didnât know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didnât know about it doesnât mean it wasnât reffed correctly
Which law?
If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.
20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law
Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.
"Target" is the operative word.
very good point SF wasn't even looking at the legs.
Which is why it stayed as a YC
Penalised for the neck roll
YC for dropping his weight on the jackaler
YC because it wasnât deliberate and âtargetedâ@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didnât know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didnât know about it doesnât mean it wasnât reffed correctly
Which law?
If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.
20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law
Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.
"Target" is the operative word.
very good point SF wasn't even looking at the legs.
Which is why it stayed as a YC
Penalised for the neck roll
YC for dropping his weight on the jackaler
YC because it wasnât deliberate and âtargetedâYC for attempting to avoid Kitshoffs forearm that still managed to connect with Frizells head?
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I don't think I have the energy to read through all the comments during the match.
My reaction at the final whistle was a mixture of pride and disappointment.
Despite Cane's RC and the Barnes/Foley comedy show the ABs still had the opportunity to win this game. JB and Mo'unga will rue their missed kicks. One of them would have done.
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Commiserations Kiwis. That was a great final, and a great effort from your team. Very unlucky in the end.
r.e. the cards - my view (from watching in real time in a very busy pub, so I might change my mind when I've watched it back) is that they were all correct, except possibly Frizell's which seemed harsh, didn't seem to me that he did much wrong.
Cane's red and Kolisi's yellow - I reckon they were correct decisions, but it does suck.
Two things:
We're all sick of talking about it, but the inconsistency is killing us. When the TMO intervenes, which offences are which colour, etc. There's no excuse for it.
And while I think Cane's was a RC offence and Kolisi's was a YC due to mitigation, it really highlights that while difference between a red and yellow offence can be very marginal, the differnce between the punishments is massive - especially for an early red. I wasn't a fan of the 20 minute rule when it was first suggested, but I've come around to thinking it would help.
