RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision. They took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty and that helped them win that game, why they decided not to do the same in the final is beyond me.
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision as they took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty, why they decided bot to do the same in the final is beyond me.
As good a game as he had vs Ireland, that was a bad decision
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@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
Yep, and your deranged view from your armchair is more accurate than a panel of referees - got it.
I Cannot have a rational conversation with someone who is clearly still in the first stage of grief. I give you some time - 4 years.
/grabs coat
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
Yep, and your deranged view from your armchair is more accurate than a panel of referees - got it.
I Cannot have a rational conversation with someone who is clearly still in the first stage of grief. I give you some time - 4 years.
/grabs coat
I made a pretty rational assessment of the incident - rushed in, recklessly made contact with his head. Your assessment was "one might hurt more".
Poor effort mate.
Any jeez, if you really believe that we shouldn't question the ability and consistency of the blokes in the TMO seats, then you're watching a different game to the rest of us
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision as they took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty, why they decided bot to do the same in the final is beyond me.
As good a game as he had vs Ireland, that was a bad decision
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision as they took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty, why they decided bot to do the same in the final is beyond me.
As good a game as he had vs Ireland, that was a bad decision
Furry muff but one also doesn't expect to get a YC for falling to the ground which cost 3 points.
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That is just one other example that our boys weren't quite on today. Vs Ireland we kicked all our kicks, it was the Irish that chanced their arm with the touch finders. The odd lineout tricks, the splashy backline passing moves, all unnecessary against Ireland and probably should have stayed in the kit bag today
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And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
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@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
we just couldn't get into position for a DG though could we - they defended well in that final stretch and we were rooted
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Back on lineouts, why did we insist on throwing to the back all the time? That, the tricky moves, and not competing on theirs in the 2nd half, all killed me
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Back on lineouts, why did we insist on throwing to the back all the time? That, the tricky moves, and not competing on theirs in the 2nd half, all killed me
The more I think about this game the angrier I get. We beat ourselves more than SA beat us. So frustrating.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
we just couldn't get into position for a DG though could we - they defended well in that final stretch and we were rooted
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
we just couldn't get into position for a DG though could we - they defended well in that final stretch and we were rooted
I recall two occasions we were near the 22, dead in front
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Back on lineouts, why did we insist on throwing to the back all the time? That, the tricky moves, and not competing on theirs in the 2nd half, all killed me
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Back on lineouts, why did we insist on throwing to the back all the time? That, the tricky moves, and not competing on theirs in the 2nd half, all killed me
Just seemed to be too cute. Were we worried we couldn't secure our ball? Because those trick moves only served to lose us the ball anyway
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@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
we just couldn't get into position for a DG though could we - they defended well in that final stretch and we were rooted
I recall two occasions we were near the 22, dead in front
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
we just couldn't get into position for a DG though could we - they defended well in that final stretch and we were rooted
I recall two occasions we were near the 22, dead in front
I'll have to go back and re-watchI will take your word for it -
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
Yep, and your deranged view from your armchair is more accurate than a panel of referees - got it.
I Cannot have a rational conversation with someone who is clearly still in the first stage of grief. I give you some time - 4 years.
/grabs coat
I made a pretty rational assessment of the incident - rushed in, recklessly made contact with his head. Your assessment was "one might hurt more".
Poor effort mate.
Any jeez, if you really believe that we shouldn't question the ability and consistency of the blokes in the TMO seats, then you're watching a different game to the rest of us
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
Yep, and your deranged view from your armchair is more accurate than a panel of referees - got it.
I Cannot have a rational conversation with someone who is clearly still in the first stage of grief. I give you some time - 4 years.
/grabs coat
I made a pretty rational assessment of the incident - rushed in, recklessly made contact with his head. Your assessment was "one might hurt more".
Poor effort mate.
Any jeez, if you really believe that we shouldn't question the ability and consistency of the blokes in the TMO seats, then you're watching a different game to the rest of us
Save your strength. The troll is gone. Funny because as much as most on here are upset with the ref/TMO, we are generally just as frustrated by our own team. I don't recall one poster saying anything along the lines of "we was robbed"
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It's been a grand 2023 international season, ABs exceeded my expectations in the end. Congratulations and thanks to those who have played their last game in black.
@Mattasaurus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It's been a grand 2024 international season, ABs exceeded my expectations in the end. Congratulations and thanks to those who have played their last game in black.
Cheers for the update Marty McFly. Looks like I can cancel my sky subscription next year !
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
I thought SF would have come back fizzing and ripped in. I barely noticed him. Disappointing from a guy we all identified as key to our chances. Too gunshy on a yellow?
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
I thought SF would have come back fizzing and ripped in. I barely noticed him. Disappointing from a guy we all identified as key to our chances. Too gunshy on a yellow?
Nope, overhyped player who returned to his usual standard. Plus he wouldn’t be gunshy on a yellow - history shows he doesn’t face consequences for being a fuckwit
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@Mattasaurus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It's been a grand 2024 international season, ABs exceeded my expectations in the end. Congratulations and thanks to those who have played their last game in black.
Cheers for the update Marty McFly. Looks like I can cancel my sky subscription next year !
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Mattasaurus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It's been a grand 2024 international season, ABs exceeded my expectations in the end. Congratulations and thanks to those who have played their last game in black.
Cheers for the update Marty McFly. Looks like I can cancel my sky subscription next year !
Whoops haha
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Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
While I question the accuracy of tackles/missed tackles, the use a consistent method: https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/playerstats?gameId=596201&league=164205
Frizell had 1 tackle and 1 missed tackle.
Taylor/Scottie/Ardie were the only players in double figures and Jordan/Cane made 8 each. The team made 93 out of 106 tackles of which 47 (50% of successful tackles) were made by the 5 players just mentioned.
